I train under a guy who i'd consider to be one of the most influential Rotti breeders in the states, Jenecks. I really like the way his dogs work, all around, and I think most will agree.

Why do you need a PPD?

 

I want a PPD so I can work with it, as well as have a sense of security for my family when I am not around. Jenecks huh? Ill check him out! Thanks again. U work with American Bulldogs as well right?

 

I have one. Trained. Perfect temperment, works like a shepherd and is an executive level protection dog. $50,000

 

I have one. Trained. Perfect temperment, works like a shepherd and is an executive level protection dog. $50,000

LoL... executive level trained! I couldn't help but laugh a little... geez...

 

Hey Chris, where did your male come from again? I remember you said a while back and I may have even bookmarked it, but I'm on a new computer and can't find it. PM me if you like. ;-)

PS: I can only afford $30,000.

 

I personlly like Redwood Crest. They have nice looking and working rotts.

 

The dog in your avatar looks amazing! Thank you for yourresponse as well!

 

Thanks she out of Miak Von Der Frankentanne, he was a good rottweiler. Looks like you ruffeled some feathers.

 

Thanks she out of Miak Von Der Frankentanne, he was a good rottweiler. Looks like you ruffeled some feathers.

When working with American Bullies, its bound to happen.... I came here to learn about working Rottweilers and Dutch Shepherds, but soon as the crown caught wind of me owning bullies it was like all hell broke loose. I am trying to move into a diff. direction and actually learn some stuff now! It just sucks that everyone hates me as a person now cuz I have the dogs... But hey, I still got my health right

 

Ya they are good people to. Good luck with everyone in hear the all got good memories. Don't feel bad the bully breeds are just going to always have a bad rep sadly. You never know you may put them on the map in a good way. I think the one you have pictured looks good. JMO don't attack me guys. LOL

 

Nothing personal guys but I really don't think you'd know a working Rottweiler if it bit you in the ass.

 

Well I do... and that's why I'm done with them.

OP should stay away from Rotts and get a Dutchie.

 

my experience with rottweilers so far has not been a good journey. i sought out a excellent bred working line dog and now the dog is two she has slowly matured into a powerful dog and with an absolute shit load of training has come quite a long way.
I have never trained this dog to ever be agressive but with her dominate personality she sees all children and dogs beneath her and would happily take to both.these dogs have me absolutly dumb founded i am in a club here and find a couple of dogs in the whole bunch have any prey drive aimed at toys all there drive is aimed at killing each other i hope you dont get attacked by someone with another dog cause your dog will be to bothered by it to help you. where my shepherd is the total opposite.

i find that these dogs are more of a compound gaurd and probably a good ppd but there is just to many quirks(dog aggresion,just dont really want to work and get tired easily) that i will not be going back for more.i think the breed is gone to the show people and lacks good consistent working drive and stamina.

 

I don't own a Rott, yet, but the Rotts Ive seen work on our field in the last two years haven't shown any of the "quirks" that I keep hearing most people talk about. It really makes me curious. All the dogs ive seen are sociable although aloof, confident, no uncalled for dog aggression, great toy drive and plenty of fight... definately a versatile dog i'd like to own and work.

 

I'm sure you're a fine upstanding young man Gregory but my suggestion is to move to safer a neighborhood and have stronger locks installed.

If you insist on a PPD by all means take the advice given and go with a different breed. As a Rottweiler owner for over 20 years last thing we need is another 20 year old looking for a "bas ass" dog.

 

Very well said Sheena! =D>

 

after spending alot of time researching and meeting many working malinois i fostered a french working line mal for a guy i used to work with. he had just taken a job overseas and needed somewhere for the dog to stay until his parents could get down here from NW oregon to pick her up. i found she drove me nuts, with the always "on" status.

i began last month expanding my working dog search to include other breeds that tend to do well in Schutzhund.

I have been looking into working line GSDs and just very recently been trying to find out about good solid working line rotties. still need to meet some and talk to more people to see if they might be more compatible with my personality than a Mal, but i think for me they might be worth considering.

i have read alot about, and heard from people who know the working line rotties, that the

schwaiger wappen and schwaiger rathaus dogs are fairly consistent producers of good Schutzhund sport dogs.



also there is a guy on here named Andy Larimore who has an actual working rottie police dog named ivan.

 

First it was I need a PPD to keep my family safe now it's about sport. Pick something and at least stick with it long enough for the thread to die down.

 

Gregory, instead of going and finding a breeder right away and being stuck with something that sounds appealing but may not be the best family dog, may I suggest fostering a couple Malinois or Dutch shepherds or Rottweilers so you know what you're getting into?

One of my Mals is a drivey little "failed foster" female from American Belgian Malinois Club rescue and she ended up being a certified therapy dog. My husband is also going to start working her in herding. She could likely do agility or bite work if it wasn't for the nerve damage in her neck called FCE which gives her a noticeable but not painful limp. Many of these guys (the Mals and Dutchies in particular) end up in rescue because people have no idea of their drive and what it takes to make them good house pets (A LOT of exercise and boundaries). They can make excellent active pets or performance dogs. And you can learn a lot from rescue dogs by how they can challenge you as a trainer. Malinois rescue in particular is begging for foster homes (there's a Malinois in California waiting for a foster home and two Dutchie pups in California for adoption). Give these a try:

http://www.malinoisrescue.org/foster/
http://dutchshepherdrescue.org/NADSRdogs.html

Plus if you really like one of your foster dogs, you usually get first dibs on adoptions if they work out well for you. Our female Mal from rescue is fabulous.

 

Gregory, instead of going and finding a breeder right away and being stuck with something that sounds appealing but may not be the best family dog, may I suggest fostering a couple Malinois or Dutch shepherds or Rottweilers so you know what you're getting into?

One of my Mals is a drivey little "failed foster" female from American Belgian Malinois Club rescue and she ended up being a certified therapy dog. My husband is also going to start working her in herding. She could likely do agility or bite work if it wasn't for the nerve damage in her neck called FCE which gives her a noticeable but not painful limp. Many of these guys (the Mals and Dutchies in particular) end up in rescue because people have no idea of their drive and what it takes to make them good house pets (A LOT of exercise and boundaries). They can make excellent active pets or performance dogs. And you can learn a lot from rescue dogs by how they can challenge you as a trainer. Malinois rescue in particular is begging for foster homes (there's a Malinois in California waiting for a foster home and two Dutchie pups in California for adoption). Give these a try:

http://www.malinoisrescue.org/foster/
http://dutchshepherdrescue.org/NADSRdogs.html

Plus if you really like one of your foster dogs, you usually get first dibs on adoptions if they work out well for you. Our female Mal from rescue is fabulous.

Thanks for the links! Im not looking to jump right in... I was simply lookin for breeders so I can delineate what they all provide... Im trying to take baby steps

 

i think what maren said it is right on. i met a ton of mals, saw a bunch of them work and visited with a bunch of them at homes of breeders when they were not working. i thought they were cool and liked many things about them. i am very active myself and knew that i would like giving them a ton of exercise everyday...then i lived with one at my house for 16 days. i never saw her sleeping, ever. she was pretty much always moving unless i had her in a position on command, and never really chilled out and relaxed enough for me even after a lot of physical and mental exercise. it was enough to make me realize id prefer to start Sch training with dog that had a distinct "off mode". i am looking at other breeds for my first working dog. after a couple dogs with SCH titles on them i'll porbably still get a mal/dutchie, but for me now i have found i'd prefer another breed.

 

i think what maren said it is right on. i met a ton of mals, saw a bunch of them work and visited with a bunch of them at homes of breeders when they were not working. i thought they were cool and liked many things about them. i am very active myself and knew that i would like giving them a ton of exercise everyday...then i lived with one at my house for 16 days. i never saw her sleeping, ever. she was pretty much always moving unless i had her in a position on command, and never really chilled out and relaxed enough for me even after a lot of physical and mental exercise. it was enough to make me realize id prefer to start Sch training with dog that had a distinct "off mode". i am looking at other breeds for my first working dog. after a couple dogs with SCH titles on them i'll porbably still get a mal/dutchie, but for me now i have found i'd prefer another breed.

Right on! Good stuff to know... I am pretty active, and will be able to provide an active lifestyle, but I'd like to relax too! LOL

 

A lot of people won't understand a love for type over a love for sport. For me I love rottweilers, I don't care about the best dog for sport. i really couldn't give a rat's backside I love MY breed I want to see my breed succeed to the best of it's abilities. No I may not get the highest score at the trial but can rottweilers do it? Obviously as there are rottweilers doing it.

Some people want the best dog for the sport. Some want to sport but they want to use a dog that can do the work but it takes more work. Some people will never understand why, it's as simple as that.

 

A lot of people won't understand a love for type over a love for sport. For me I love rottweilers, I don't care about the best dog for sport. i really couldn't give a rat's backside I love MY breed I want to see my breed succeed to the best of it's abilities. No I may not get the highest score at the trial but can rottweilers do it? Obviously as there are rottweilers doing it.

Some people want the best dog for the sport. Some want to sport but they want to use a dog that can do the work but it takes more work. Some people will never understand why, it's as simple as that.

I think you bring up a good point about the points (no pun). When i first started learning about Schutzhund I thought it was all about the points, and later after spending lots more time on the field, I came to the conclusion that in the type of dog I like, points don't mean everything. Since ive joined the local Schutzhund club ive really grown to like a dog who is real strong.

 

Well said Amy, thats the type of devotion that can improve the breed rather than passing it by to where people that have no need having that kind of dog starts breeding them. There are great rotts in sports, they may not by as fast as a dutchie, mal or shepard. But its about improving the breed. To each their own I guess. JMO

 

I understand that you are looking for a PPD that will be strong enough for the work yet suitable with the family. It does not matter if you are dealing with a Rottie , GSD or any other breed, training is the key. Without proper training even the most suitable dog can become unsuitable. I would recommend finding a good dog and a good strong training group.

I have bred to the Jeneks line and got some nice pups but they certainly were not the best pups I have produced. I like dogs strong in the Schwaiger Wappen lines and I like dogs out of Akino Von Der Lauterbrucke. These dogs look nice and are very strong in defense. They are real workers and not "made" dogs.

If your truly interested in the Rottweiler, do your homework and research the lines. You will be pleased with what you find. :-D

 

I understand that you are looking for a PPD that will be strong enough for the work yet suitable with the family. It does not matter if you are dealing with a Rottie , GSD or any other breed, training is the key. Without proper training even the most suitable dog can become unsuitable. I would recommend finding a good dog and a good strong training group.

I have bred to the Jeneks line and got some nice pups but they certainly were not the best pups I have produced. I like dogs strong in the Schwaiger Wappen lines and I like dogs out of Akino Von Der Lauterbrucke. These dogs look nice and are very strong in defense. They are real workers and not "made" dogs.

If your truly interested in the Rottweiler, do your homework and research the lines. You will be pleased with what you find. :-D

Thank you very much! You have been very helpful and i will be looking into these lines!

 

The Aki and Arri lines are well known for producing good dogs.

Check out Ety vom Herrenholz, 7yoa and won the ADRK DM VPG championship 2009.

 

What you just described can be fixed with training and serious conditioning. I run and swim my dogs throughout the week.

 

am i reading you right ?fix it why would i want it there to start with let alone take the time to? life is to short to try and fixed screwed up dogs just get a decent one to start with.and amy you believe what you want and i think your lucky to have the nice dogs you do but seriously take of the rose coloured glasses the breed is DA

 

If you are primarily looking for working(not show) a couple of kennels to check out include Chuck Wilson (vom waldbach) and Ron at von Aunkst. I believe that Wilson has been very successful in Sch and Ron has focused on bringing over more seriou lines(herrenholz). Redwwoodkrest has some nice dogs but has been moving more in the German showline direction but I'm sure he can find the right dog for someone if need be. He is not focusing on super serious lines because he doesn't want them all returned. There is also a kennel in Belgium that focuses on producing very serious dogs. However they are not for the faint of heart.

 

Define successful?...Do you mean only competing in Rottweiler affirmative action events only or all breed competitions?

My good friend Ron still needs a boot in his ass for not finishing the titles on Junky and Quincy.

As for Redwood Crest what has Goedertier really produced that has set the world on fire since coming here 10 years ago? Maybe one dog that is close to that criteria.

Exactly what dog that Verschatse produced has done anything here in the US?

 

And I love Joeri he's a good guy but.. puppy price at Redwood KREST (K man K) starts at 3,000. As for dog aggressive and not ball crazy brad all of my dogs can function in close proximity with other dogs and as soon as work starts they could care less about another dog.

As for ball drive, parker drops so hard into a down for a ball you could probably use him as a jackhammer. I dunno I guess I'm lucky to have not run into all these dog aggressive rottweilers. Personally if DA was that bad in the breed I probably wouldn't own them, it's the only reason I don't have any APBT's as pets.

I probably wouldn't throw Gold in an open pen with a bunch of dog unsupervised but she has no problem working around dogs.

A photo of Gold from her breeder's website

And Parker and Kira

 

I'd be willing to bet really good money that nobody could tell a dog was going to have dog aggression issues at 8 frigging weeks old. I got two Rottweilers that are toy crazy. The 71/2 year old is pretty neutral now around other dogs the 22 month old one is a social butterfly. Guess I got lucky also?:roll:

 

Working rottweilers

If your looking for a working rottweiler prospect it is most effective to research PROVEN working lines. The rottweiler has unfortunately fallen out of favor with the top Sch sport handlers in the last 10 yrs. The top working Rottweilers in the world are produced in Germany through the ADRK system. In Germany, all Rottweilers must possess a ZTP before breeding and at least one of the parents must have a VPG/IPO title.
Health, conformation, temperament and working ability are all tested for the ZTP.

The ultimate breeding title and top Rottweilers in Germany have passed the rigorous ADRK Korung which is held biannually. Recent ADRK Korung results can be found here: http://adrk.de/3_koerung20090913_herbstkoerung_eschweiler_e.htm

The top level ADRK breeding is a ‘Kor und Leistungzucht’ breeding meaning BOTH parents have passed the Korung. These are top level dogs and breedings.

Working temperament usually is genetic and the top working rottweiler lines have been Aki von der Peeler Hutte, Arri & Basko vom Hertener Wappen, Harras & Ken vom Sternbogen, Noris vom Gruntenblick to name a few.. These lines have been very successful on the working field and the Korungs.
The top working kennels are Vom Herrenholz, Vom Hause Anin, Vom Hause Neubrand, Vom Schwaiger Wappen, Vom Heidebaren, Vom Turnleberg to name a few..
The most recent ADRK Sch Nationals or Deutsche Meisterschaft results are here:
http://adrk.de/3_dtmeister20090926.htm



Here in the USA, the top working rottweiler event is the USRC Sch Nationals. Here are last years results: http://www.usrconline.org/archive/2009/09bwrc.pdf
I worked this event as the front-half helper and was able to see some nice dogs ups close.

Each FCI member country or affiliate can send their top working rottweiler teams to the IFR World Championships. Results from last yrs event: http://www.ifr2009.cz/

Very simply, in all working breeds including Rottweilers, success & quality produce the same. Look at PROVEN working dogs especially females as many look only at a big name stud dog and expect the litter to be super. If bred to a weak, unproven female, the results are usually very disappointing.. Top females are the key and when bred to a strong compatible male can usually produce a nice litter of strong working puppy prospects..
My 1st male, Bronko vom Wachberg was found by researching the ADRK Korung and finding a super female, Wendy vom Wachberg. She had a super Korung performance and when I inquired about a future breeding found out she was 5 weeks pregnant at her Korung!

The ADRK stud dog, Ety vom Herrenholz has been mentioned. He is a super working male and recently won the ADRK DM at 7 ½ years old. He is the total rottweiler IMO.
He is HD/ED Frei, an ADRK & VDH Conformation Champion and also has passed the Lifetime Korung and is Gekort bis Eza. He is owned by my good friends, Klaus & Helga in Germany where I have worked him many times. I own a very strong female out of Ety named Vaika vom Herrenholz.


I have been disappointed in the past with USA bred dogs and chose a few yrs ago to educate myself on the ADRK system. My dogs are all ADRK working line dogs out of Korung titled parents and I have been happy with the results.

Good luck with your research!

Jim Laubmeier
www.firehouserotts.com

 

Working rottweilers

If your looking for a working rottweiler prospect it is most effective to research PROVEN working lines. The rottweiler has unfortunately fallen out of favor with the top Sch sport handlers in the last 10 yrs. The top working Rottweilers in the world are produced in Germany through the ADRK system. In Germany, all Rottweilers must possess a ZTP before breeding and at least one of the parents must have a VPG/IPO title.
Health, conformation, temperament and working ability are all tested for the ZTP.

The ultimate breeding title and top Rottweilers in Germany have passed the rigorous ADRK Korung which is held biannually. Recent ADRK Korung results can be found here: http://adrk.de/3_koerung20090913_herbstkoerung_eschweiler_e.htm

The top level ADRK breeding is a ‘Kor und Leistungzucht’ breeding meaning BOTH parents have passed the Korung. These are top level dogs and breedings.

Working temperament usually is genetic and the top working rottweiler lines have been Aki von der Peeler Hutte, Arri & Basko vom Hertener Wappen, Harras & Ken vom Sternbogen, Noris vom Gruntenblick to name a few.. These lines have been very successful on the working field and the Korungs.
The top working kennels are Vom Herrenholz, Vom Hause Anin, Vom Hause Neubrand, Vom Schwaiger Wappen, Vom Heidebaren, Vom Turnleberg to name a few..
The most recent ADRK Sch Nationals or Deutsche Meisterschaft results are here:
http://adrk.de/3_dtmeister20090926.htm



Here in the USA, the top working rottweiler event is the USRC Sch Nationals. Here are last years results: http://www.usrconline.org/archive/2009/09bwrc.pdf
I worked this event as the front-half helper and was able to see some nice dogs ups close.

Each FCI member country or affiliate can send their top working rottweiler teams to the IFR World Championships. Results from last yrs event: http://www.ifr2009.cz/

Very simply, in all working breeds including Rottweilers, success & quality produce the same. Look at PROVEN working dogs especially females as many look only at a big name stud dog and expect the litter to be super. If bred to a weak, unproven female, the results are usually very disappointing.. Top females are the key and when bred to a strong compatible male can usually produce a nice litter of strong working puppy prospects..
My 1st male, Bronko vom Wachberg was found by researching the ADRK Korung and finding a super female, Wendy vom Wachberg. She had a super Korung performance and when I inquired about a future breeding found out she was 5 weeks pregnant at her Korung!

The ADRK stud dog, Ety vom Herrenholz has been mentioned. He is a super working male and recently won the ADRK DM at 7 ½ years old. He is the total rottweiler IMO.
He is HD/ED Frei, an ADRK & VDH Conformation Champion and also has passed the Lifetime Korung and is Gekort bis Eza. He is owned by my good friends, Klaus & Helga in Germany where I have worked him many times. I own a very strong female out of Ety named Vaika vom Herrenholz.


I have been disappointed in the past with USA bred dogs and chose a few yrs ago to educate myself on the ADRK system. My dogs are all ADRK working line dogs out of Korung titled parents and I have been happy with the results.

Good luck with your research!

Jim Laubmeier
www.firehouserotts.com

JIM! Thank you so much! exactly what I was lookingfor!

 

Hi Jim,
Like the Herrenholz dogs very much, Congrats with Vaika.

 

I had 2 Rott's before these 2 Dutchies. The female Rott was so DA I finally PTS. The other was a male who was not DA in any way. He lived until he was 13 years old and I still miss him and think about him all the time.

Compared to these Dutchies HE COULD RELAX without a thousand hours of daily exercise. There are times I yearn for that once in a while.\\/