[Andres Martin]

Do you consider any currently recognized dog breed, in its current general state, to be worthless?

My 3 picks are:

English Bulldog
Great Dane
Chow Chow

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

Great Danes - were they ever meant for anything? My friend has one, n she's a nice dog, but worthless as anything other than a pet. She's the sweetest friendliest dog in the world, super soft, very easy to train (yet she still doesn't seem to listen to anyone but me :lol: all I have to do is give a tug on the excess strap of her e-collar n she takes it as a hard correction), but she's scared of everything, she won't sit if you tell her sit on a tile floor (well, unless I tell her, because she knows I will correct her if she doesn't lol other people go "awww she doesn't wanna sit on the tile"), she's scared of the big beach ball in the pool, she's scared of the big blue ladder, she's scared of flashing lights, she's scared of pumpkins, she's scared of people rattling keys in her face. I think much of it is to do with the upbringing, but the genetics are a huge factor.

 

[Kristen Cabe]

Pugs





:::::ducking and running::::::::: :lol:

 

[Stacia Porter]

Do you consider any currently recognized dog breed, in its current general state, to be worthless?

My 3 picks are:

English Bulldog
Great Dane
Chow Chow

The three you listed, PUGS, minature and toy poodles (standards can actually herd...believe it or not LOL), pekinese, chinese crested, chihuahua (of all types), and the AmBred shepherd :lol: (low-crawling and hiding out in a well concealed fox hole LOL -- just remember that I love my Andibelle people LOLOL).

 

[Reinier Geel]

In defence of Great Danes, I have trained two, and believe me there is a lot of dog there, that I can vouch for – very obedient, intelligent and they have a good bite – and strong as hell. Maybe it was because they were raised by one of my trainers – a young girl, now a woman – never the less, my wife always say where men fail woman should get called in to do a proper job -LOL

 

[susan tuck]

American Bred GSD's bred for american show ring. Ruined.
Chinese Crested.......Reminds me of a Picasso painting

 

[Al Curbow]

I don't think any dog is worthless if the owners are happy with it, i guess it's all about what you're looking for in a dog. What's wrong with dogs bred in america? If you think that you can't breed good dogs here just cause it's american soil you're misinformed, one dog comes to mind and that dog would fit anybody in the worlds definition of a serious, stable dog, and he was bred right here in the USA. For instance, Leerburg kennels are a breeding kennel so i don't understand what you mean i guess....

 

[Stacia Porter]

I don't think any dog is worthless if the owners are happy with it, i guess it's all about what you're looking for in a dog. What's wrong with dogs bred in america? If you think that you can't breed good dogs here just cause it's american soil you're misinformed, one dog comes to mind and that dog would fit anybody in the worlds definition of a serious, stable dog, and he was bred right here in the USA. For instance, Leerburg kennels are a breeding kennel so i don't understand what you mean i guess....

Al, Leerburg Kennels breeds imported dogs. I have an "AmBred" and an SV style. There is a BIG difference IMO, on structure and temperment, as well as working ability, of the dogs. It's not to say that a shepherd bred on American soil is worthless...there is a certain type of dog that wins AKC conformation shows and that's what we're talking about.

This is a tongue-in-cheek subject for me. No dog is honestly "worthless." They are all lovable little creatures (well, most lol). I think Andres's question was in relation to work, be that hunting, herding, ppd, k-9, sport, rat killing, or the other numerous things for which dogs are bred (I know I've left a lot out). Bulldogs can't protect any longer, not sure what hte history is on Great Danes, pugs are the Imperial Dogs of China but don't "do" anything other than keep man company.

No offense meant here...

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

I wish I could have raised my friends great dane, I have seen bitework from a dane before on video n it's cool as hell, but the danes I've encountered are pretty "ehh". I think breeding makes alot of difference, as well as who's raising the dog. I think chasing the dog around the house at halloween time with a pumpkin doesn't do much for the dogs nerves :lol: Poor dog, I get mad anytime people intentionally scare her because they think it's funny seeing such a big "chicken dog".... she wouldn't be a chicken dog if people quit making her one.

 

[Bob Scott]

I try to judge a dogs worth by temperment, not breed. My youngest daughter has a real $#!+ kickin little Mexican Chi dog. She wont back down from any one at the door and has killed a squirrel almost as big as she is.
There are dozens of breeds that I will never look to own, but I have no doubt there are good dogs in any breed. Just might have to look reeeeeely hard with some. :wink:

 

[Andres Martin]

Definitely tongue in cheek...

...and I'm talking about the general state of a breed...based on stability.

Let's say, Irish Wolfhounds...in general, are still a lot of dog. As are Salukis, Pomeranians, Yorkies, Dalmatians, Sharpei, Beagles, and so on. IN GENERAL. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EXCEPTIONS.

BTW, thanks for the reminder...I had forgotten about Pugs.

...and I have my doubts regarding St. Bernards and Cocker Spaniels... 8)

 

[susan tuck]

Al, the problem is american bred GSD's for the conformation SHOW RING. I guess I didn't say conformation in my previous post so maybe it wasn't clear. I have a problem with any breeder of any dogs that are bred soley for the conformation show ring because so many things become exagerated for the show ring, such as angulation, or wierd heads.

 

[Woody Taylor]

BTW, thanks for the reminder...I had forgotten about Pugs.

Connie is gonna do some ferocious editing when she gets back. :twisted: Andres, you might just become an American GSD show person whether you want to or not.

Afghan Hounds I never really understood. Lap dogs I guess I get because they're bred to be spoiled and nasty and make their owners look like silly idiots, at which they are very, very good.

 

[Stacia Porter]

Al, the problem is american bred GSD's for the conformation SHOW RING. I guess I didn't say conformation in my previous post so maybe it wasn't clear. I have a problem with any breeder of any dogs that are bred soley for the conformation show ring because so many things become exagerated for the show ring, such as angulation, or wierd heads.

HEY! Andi doesn't have angulation or a wierd head. She just has no working ability, hip dysplasia, food aggression, zippo prey drive, and bat ears.

My brother has both a pug and a bulldog. He loves useless animals. Of course now that his wife si pregnant with #2 and he's on a 90 day rotation to Italy, both dogs have suddenly had to find foster homes. I must be super woman managing three kids, three dogs, and a house with a husband who works 80+ hours a week. I even did it PREGNANT with a husband in Iraq. My god...and my aunt, who is fostering LuLu the bulldog, tried to give her to a BYB breeder until I threw a hissy fit. The person has no clue what lines the dog is, ,has never seen her, and tells my aunt he'll take for his breeding program nad no one but me sees an issue with that? I'll pay for hte dog's spay dangit! BTW she's actually out of ch Polish lines and my bro paid out the ass for her...

 

[susan tuck]

Nobody said there is anything wrong with dogs bred on American soil, Al. Why are you being so defensive?

 

[Al Curbow]

Susan, sorry if you took it that way, i'm not being defensive . Say a professional breeder years ago picked out good working dogs and started their own line , the dogs are born and bred in the USA and that line continues on with the breeder adding in and subtracting out what they think is prudent, and throughout the years the breeder puts out good dogs here in America....... I guess it's a question of why can't/don't people call them good american working line dogs? Somewhere down the road most Americans are decendents from Europe and Africa and we're considered Americans. How many generations have to go by till it's an American bred dog?

 

[Kristen Cabe]

Again, the reference to "American bred dogs" is to the AKC style show German Shepherds. That's what everyone is referring to when they say "Ambred" or "American bred shepherd." :wink:

 

[susan tuck]

Al, you weren't acting defensive, I threw my back out so I'm acting pissy. I'm sorry.

I agree that there are now some good people here in the states breeding working dogs. That's why there is hope. I think back in the 70's & 80's the phrase American Working GSD was almost an oxymoron! The really sad thing is the huge chasm between those breeders you are talking about (& I admire), and what ends up winning championships in AKC conformation shows.

By the by, I want to say I think dogs that are "pets" are wonderful and do have an important place in the world. I don't think "pet" is a dirty word!

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

Both my dogs are pets, one just has an attitude problem

 

[Al Curbow]

Which one? lol