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Preferred Collar

  • Leather collar

    Votes: 18 34.6%

  • Prong

    Votes: 21 40.4%

  • E-collar

    Votes: 6 11.5%

  • Choke Chain

    Votes: 7 13.5%
  • Total voters
    52

Which Collar is used more?

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Chad Brezina
Which Collar is used for Protection and Sport training?
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Chad Brezina said:
Which Collar is used for Protection and Sport training?
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Bite Sports I would presume? Well, all the collars above are used frequently at times, depending on the scenary, the dog, handler, and training. In my opinion the choker is the least used of the ones listed, but all are quite frequently used.
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Joby Becker
couldn't vote, as there is usually more than one collar on my dog if I am training for bitework.

If I had to "guess" I would say leather as most dogs I know have some sort of collar on them most of the time, and the leather is the safest when crated or kenneled.



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Alice Bezemer
depending on the dog i will switch between the flat and the prong but ofcourse this depends on the dog as stated...i also use the ecollar if needed..never used a choke chain before.
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Kadi Thingvall
All of the above
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Chad Brezina
Alice Bezemer said:
depending on the dog i will switch between the flat and the prong but ofcourse this depends on the dog as stated...i also use the ecollar if needed..never used a choke chain before.
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What type of dog would make you switch to a prong?
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Alice Bezemer
Chad Brezina said:
What type of dog would make you switch to a prong?
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the ones that have the "kiss my ass" attitude....
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Chad Brezina
I've been using Michael Ellis's methods with marker training and my dog is very engaged with me except for when there is another dog around. Food is definitly not enough for her to re-engage on me. A Tug is kind of 50-50 for her to be engaged on me or the dog. Do you think I should give a prong collar a try? Maybe combine the prong and use of a tug?
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Alice Bezemer
Chad Brezina said:
I've been using Michael Ellis's methods with marker training and my dog is very engaged with me except for when there is another dog around. Food is definitly not enough for her to re-engage on me. A Tug is kind of 50-50 for her to be engaged on me or the dog. Do you think I should give a prong collar a try? Maybe combine the prong and use of a tug?
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well first of i dont know Michael Ellis very well...heard of him but thats about it....secondly you cant ask if you should switch from one collar to another like this ;) i dont know the dog...no one on here does so its pretty hard to judge on a dog that i have no clue about...its all depending on the dog yoiu have, her age, her temper, her breeding, is she dominant or submissive, does she learn easy or protest a lot...does she challenge you when trying to teach...etc etc etc...to simply ask if you should combine the prong with the use of a tug is the wrong way to go about things completly....have you tried everything else ? she's from a shelter so looking at that for starters and the fact that shes is a mix of a lot of dogs tell you she isnt a bloodline dog to start with so not bred with specifics for sports in mind...that should tell you something to start with...i would say since i have the feeling you are very inexperianced that NO you should NOT use a prong...reason ? you would do more damage then harm i think since you dont have an idea of how it works or how it would affect your dog...first try and use other options before running for the toolbox ;) you could do a hell of a lot more harm then good with her with missuse of tools...

no offense to you...im just trying to be clear and honest and hope you understand what im trying to tell you here...the dogs i work with (and the other dogs on this forum which is abut 99%) are a hell of a lot different then the one you have....dont overstep yourself with this dog...be patient and give it time to start with !
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Chad Brezina
no offense taken, it's good advice. I am inexperienced and trying to gain some. I had training with the e-collar through a local training facility and it worked great for everything except when she sees other dogs. She just jumps in to a high level excitment when she sees other dogs. Anyway I got in contact with a local club through the forum and they are gonna come and check out how they do things. Hopefully I can gain some experience there.
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Ashley Campbell
Chad Brezina said:
no offense taken, it's good advice. I am inexperienced and trying to gain some. I had training with the e-collar through a local training facility and it worked great for everything except when she sees other dogs. She just jumps in to a high level excitment when she sees other dogs. Anyway I got in contact with a local club through the forum and they are gonna come and check out how they do things. Hopefully I can gain some experience there.
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You just answered your own question.

. I am inexperienced and trying to gain some

^ this tells me that you shouldn't use a prong collar until someone shows you how and when to use the damned thing. I have one, I use it sparingly - typically I use a flat leather collar or nylon, depending on what I"m doing. My male likes to drag me down the street on walks, he gets a prong collar for that because, he is big and I am small - so if he decides to really take off I might be similar to a wind sock.

So no, if I were you I probably wouldn't think about using one until someone with experience showed me how - so you don't end up screwing the pooch.
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Chad Brezina
Ashley Campbell said:
You just answered your own question.

. I am inexperienced and trying to gain some

^ this tells me that you shouldn't use a prong collar until someone shows you how and when to use the damned thing. I have one, I use it sparingly - typically I use a flat leather collar or nylon, depending on what I"m doing. My male likes to drag me down the street on walks, he gets a prong collar for that because, he is big and I am small - so if he decides to really take off I might be similar to a wind sock.

So no, if I were you I probably wouldn't think about using one until someone with experience showed me how - so you don't end up screwing the pooch.
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Thanks for the feedback. I never said I was actually going to use one just wanted to see if that's an applicable area to use it. Like I said in my previous post I will be hooking up with a local group to be gaining some experience and I could probably get a lot better feedback from a knowlegable source that can actually see my dog.

lol sorry, newbie question...
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Jeff Oehlsen
**** it, slap that pinch on there tight and go cruise some dog parks. Leave the leash loose and let the dog rip right off and correct herself.

I think if you look at the pinch collar a bit you will figure it out. It is not the brain surgery people are making it out to be. That is a cattle dog isn't it ?



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Alice Bezemer
Jeff Oehlsen said:
**** it, slap that pinch on there tight and go cruise some dog parks. Leave the leash loose and let the dog rip right off and correct herself.

I think if you look at the pinch collar a bit you will figure it out. It is not the brain surgery people are making it out to be. That is a cattle dog isn't it ?
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Its not rocketscience to use a prong but he has no clue what to do with it and not a dog that i would say has the right background to start with....id go with a chokechain myself if i was him...less evasive for the dog and if he ****s up it wont be mayor to start with....and the dog will recover quicker in my eyes...Hell i'll even go as far as to say take the dog to the park...walk it...if it goes for another dog or tries to walk yoiu instead of you him...lift the dog up and slap it around or boot it in the ass for all i care...keep in mind this is a kenneldog...not a bloodline dog with experiance or bred to do sports as we play with it...and god forbid he uses a prong or pinch and the dog decided " **** you man ! your LUNCH " Im not one for giving inexperianced people advice to grab for tools left and right....handle your dog first then use the toolbox and not the other way around... ;)
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Ashley Campbell
Jeff Oehlsen said:
**** it, slap that pinch on there tight and go cruise some dog parks. Leave the leash loose and let the dog rip right off and correct herself.

I think if you look at the pinch collar a bit you will figure it out. It is not the brain surgery people are making it out to be. That is a cattle dog isn't it ?
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I never said it was brain surgery, just if you don't know what you're doing, it might end up with less than stellar results. Some dogs get pissed about unfair corrections and might react aggressively. I'd rather not see the next post being "Well Jeff I took your advice and now have 20+ stitches" LOL. Granted you'd get a hell of a laugh out if it I'm sure but I doubt the poster would.
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Jeff Oehlsen said:
**** it, slap that pinch on there tight and go cruise some dog parks. Leave the leash loose and let the dog rip right off and correct herself.

I think if you look at the pinch collar a bit you will figure it out. It is not the brain surgery people are making it out to be. That is a cattle dog isn't it ?
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Thats the first thing I thought when I saw the pics...ACD!
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Chad Brezina
When i first started training with her I had tried the choke chain first, then I was shown how to use the e-collar, and then just a slip lead. The slip lead was the simplest and was the most effective and she heels nicely on our walks. However none of the tools has any effect on her when she see's another dog. I do know how to use choke chains and slip leads farely well. There is full slack in the lead the whole walk unless she needs a quick correction. I've been working on using food and toys to make her have more focus on me when other dogs are around but she's going to need a lot more time with it until I can tell its having an effect, because she is still much more interested in the other dogs.

I am not harsh with corrections with any tool but I've heard of a few different ways to use the prong collar and I'm not sure whats the right way to do it, so I am going to wait until I know for sure. I don't even own a prong collar just wanted to see if that could be an area to use it in.

As for her breed lol, the dna test showed Malinois/Collie/Shetland Sheepdog Mix. You can call her a cattle dog if you want because from what I'm hearing the DNA tests aren't very accurate, lol.
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Ashley Campbell
I've been working on using food and toys to make her have more focus on me when other dogs are around but she's going to need a lot more time with it until I can tell its having an effect, because she is still much more interested in the other dogs.
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IF this is working to any extent, I think I'd be more apt to stick with what's working and just work on it harder, than to switch to a prong collar. Prong's get that "quick easy fix" idea through some peoples minds like the e-collar does. Sure, if you have a dog that is shit on a leash a prong is good for a quick fix, a few rough corrections and most get the point (actually mine learned on a long lead that running off was a bad idea and did an end over end scenario with the prong on - "self correction" hehe), some dogs also shut down when they get a good stern correction.

Maybe video her with distractions to give others a better idea on how she is? You know your dog best and how she'd react to something like that, but if the food/toy is enough to get her attention, that might be a better approach. I'm not much into the PR training myself because I haven't had a lot of success with it, but others have. I'd think once she gets distracted by another dog, if a toy redirects her onto you, then tons of praise...if she lives for your praise this would probably work.

I, also, think she looks like a red ACD.
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Chad Brezina
Prong's get that "quick easy fix" idea through some peoples minds like the e-collar does
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It's funny you say that because that's exactly how I felt about the e-collar approach. I don't want to force her to focus on me, I want her to want to focus on me.

Good advice

I'll try to get a video posted soon....
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