Since we have been discussing weak and real dogs I would like to know what everyone considers a weak dog?
You just contradicted yourself, you said my explanation of a high threshold being equal to a dog who is also highly tolerant of pain, threat, etc. was wrong. You said that a dog tolerates this because (What the F. else can he do) You referred to it as abusing a dog.Jeff Oehlsen said:I have seen high threshold dogs that people described as too weak to do the work.
This is one reason I started this thread.I have seen this "weak" term used over and over but everyone is just spinning their wheels.The type of dog I like would be viewed by many as weak because I like a more defensive and suspicious dog so I guess I like a dog with lower thresholds all around but not too low.David Frost said:It is evident that often times when trainers and handlers discuss training, terminology is the stumbling block. It's the reason the Scientific Work Dog Group, funded by a host of federal agencies and being conducted by Florida International University is working on standardizing terminology for working dogs. I believe their interests are more focused on working dogs ie, police, SAR etc. Their definitions will be based on science and "industry standard" for those areas science applicable. Personally, I see differences in terminology and how it's used between sport and, for example, law enforcement canine. Admittedly, I'm not all that knowledgable about sport. I do, however, have an extensive background in law enforcement canine. I guess that's why I get confused about prey (to me it's a good thing) and particularly about decoys/ helpers. I'm also confused, on occasion about many other terms used to express behavior. I guess it's why I'm more objective rather than descriptive based. Take decoys/helpers for example. We often hear of the importance of good decoys. I can certainly understand that when initially training a dog. I also hear of how helpers can make a dog look bad during trials. That part I don't understand. If a do is ready for competition, one would assume he's trained. With a law enforcement dog, if he's trained, he's ready for the street. We don't encounter trained decoys on the street. Yes, they do inflict pain, they fight the dogs and the dog will act as trained. I do understand sport. Actually, I enjoy watching it. There are certainly some areas in sport where law enforcement trainers could learn a few things. There is a difference though.
I'll watch this thread because in spite of the cheap shots and occasional childish behavior, there are some learning opportunities. Play nice.
IMO this should be first and foremost in the civilian world of working dogs as well.Not having total control is having no control at all. :wink: Unless you are trying to get a couple extra points..David Frost said:<<<<I don't like dogs that have to be hit on the head before they will go civil on anyone, it's usually too late then.>>>
Speaking strictly from the police world, there are two times it is ok for a dog to bite;
1. When he's commanded
2. When the handler is attacked.
Other than that, control is lacking.