What is the purpose of buy a protection dog?

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tacdog15

Discussion Starter · May 21, 2022

I can't get the concept of buying a $50,000 to $100,000 protection dog I can understand a dog alerting you when someone comes to the door or an estate guardian dog If you have a mansion or a house with a lot of land or a person that lives in a country that does not allow the use of firearms for self-defense. But if you live in the United States why not just buy a gun Glocks are like $500 to $600 and ARs are like $500 to $800. I just don't get the concept the dogs are expensive just to buy. Then you have to continue their training which is also expensive you have to take them to the vet which is expensive buy their food and toys which an ongoing cost and then the dog can't work and protect you forever he will eventually get old to the point where he can't do his job anymore and then you cant the dog everywhere you go like the grocery store, the movies, or the bank.

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Kirsten Fitzgerald

· #2 · May 22, 2022

I would have a hard time justifying those prices too, but if you have that kind of money and looking to spend it, I can think of a lot worse ways.
A good P.P dog should be able to go anywhere other dogs can go. If you are going to have a dog anyway, and see the need for P.P, then why not?
Mine cost me no more than any other dog in time or money.
I do live on a sizable acreage, as do many in the U.S so not so different.
I have guns. They don't go with me most places.
They don't go walking with the kids to keep then from getting lost or from a run in with a wild pig, snake or goanna,. Lead them home if they get turned around.
My guns don't wake me in the night when there is activity that shouldn't be, or be an extra pair of eyes and ears to watch my back when my focus is else where. Not just for people, but the 6ft buck 'roo or snake in the yard at night, the fox in the hen house. I don't need to load them or look for them when needed, they are there.
it doesn't intimidate most people when I walk around a party here with my dog(s)

I keep them because I like to have big dogs, and these guys are so much more useful than guns or most other dogs
.I don't have to carry them.
Thats just my reasons tho'. They are getting very near impossible to source, so if I had that kind of money to throw around I might just do it.

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tacdog15

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 24, 2022

to me an estate guardian like a mastiff-type breed makes a lot more sense than a P.P dog because you can bring the dog everywhere you go except at the park walking downtown pet stores etc. places like the movie theater, grocery store, etc you can't bring your dog with you unless Its a service dog but if you are in America you can bring your gun with inn places where dogs can go.

Kirsten Fitzgerald

· #4 · May 27, 2022

Sure. Personal preference is subjective. An estate type dog to me is like having a loaded gun laying in the open.
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Gladk9

· #5 · 7 mo ago

tacdog15 said:
I can't get the concept of buying a $50,000 to $100,000 protection dog I can understand a dog alerting you when someone comes to the door or an estate guardian dog If you have a mansion or a house with a lot of land or a person that lives in a country that does not allow the use of firearms for self-defense. But if you live in the United States why not just buy a gun Glocks are like $500 to $600 and ARs are like $500 to $800. I just don't get the concept the dogs are expensive just to buy. Then you have to continue their training which is also expensive you have to take them to the vet which is expensive buy their food and toys which an ongoing cost and then the dog can't work and protect you forever he will eventually get old to the point where he can't do his job anymore and then you cant the dog everywhere you go like the grocery store, the movies, or the bank.

Hello sir,ill get straight to the point ...
anyone who sells you a dog for 50-100k for a ppd role is either a great salesman or a scammer,sometimes both....only a fully trained MPC fit for non conventional deployments is worth 100k..For a protection dog that the average civilian needs the industry standard is 15-20k.
Pros of PPD:
1.Less then lethal uof-depending on youre local laws,its much easier to win a trial and to claim self defense when the aggressor is not deceased already...
2.deterrent-from youre local low tier criminals and desperate substance addicts...they all fear a confident dog unless theyre highly intoxicated at the moment
3.scouting ability to detect danger and pick up sounds faster then a human will ever do usually
4.can be deployed anywhere and in the meanwhile you have valuable seconds to deploy youre weapon if you got one on you or you can run towards aggressor knowing now that its full attention is on the dog and on you...so increased survival odds...
Cons of PPD:
1.Need to acquire the skillset&knowledge of how to train and handle one...lots of hours put into it and it never ends
2.Hard to find a dog who meets the criteria and can do the job to the standard (minimum standard being the dog will engage and take some pressure for some seconds)
3.Its a living breathing animal and it needs more attention...not a firearm you clean regularly and shoot a few times a week.
4.High cost to provide a standard diet,vet bills and insurance...

So in conclusion a ppd is just like any other weapon it has its pros and cons,it has its effective use in certain contexts etc..

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Bentwings

· #6 · 5 mo ago

tacdog15 said:
I can't get the concept of buying a $50,000 to $100,000 protection dog I can understand a dog alerting you when someone comes to the door or an estate guardian dog If you have a mansion or a house with a lot of land or a person that lives in a country that does not allow the use of firearms for self-defense. But if you live in the United States why not just buy a gun Glocks are like $500 to $600 and ARs are like $500 to $800. I just don't get the concept the dogs are expensive just to buy. Then you have to continue their training which is also expensive you have to take them to the vet which is expensive buy their food and toys which an ongoing cost and then the dog can't work and protect you forever he will eventually get old to the point where he can't do his job anymore and then you cant the dog everywhere you go like the grocery store, the movies, or the bank.

I have to agree fully let me add a little you are responsible for your dog actions your home owner insurance may get cancelled unless you can do some fast talking then you will need some kind of personal insurance in case something happens just as you need for concealed and carry for hand gun. At least it will provide to get you out of jail . Many localities have an arrest the gun policy so if gun use happens plan on being in jail for a while untill your insurance provider get the lawyer to you . The training to use and maintain a protection dog is huge time consuming and expensive I have been there having a Schutzhund dog as well as K 9 dog . I had a nasty debate when my K 9 dog a fully certified K 9 was used by the police in a bad physical arrest was made resisting a well trained K 9 is very bad business for everyone my dog was shot at (missed) then attacked with knife while wounded he still made the arrest with his handler exactly correct the knife wound left my dog with a large cut on his shoulder but an experimental piece of dog armor I made probably saved his life. His very expensive custome harness was destroyed in the Melay however the dept paid the vet bill and got me a new harness. I was scared to death when we took him to the vet there was blood everywhere. Fortunately the handler officer was not injured I never tealy got all the details as I was only a trainer civilian so not allowed event details

anyway I’m much against personal protection dogs unless you are. A very wealthy money no object person . People ask me a lot about this and I do my best to blow them off. I say ofvthe dog loudly barks at strange sounds at home and you are enough of a trainer to be able to control the dog at home that’s all you need GSD don’t bark a lot and it’s quite easy to teach . They can really sound off in the house however with training and a cool down spot or stop spot. my Aussie sounded like the whole house was full of big angry dogs but a smple finger point to her bed and she would stop and go curl up waiting for her reward.
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Sitka

· #7 · 5 mo ago

I’ve recently been looking for a PPD. I’ve seen the dogs that are $100k or more, I can’t justify it for something that is 2-3 years old and I may only have for 10 more years if I’m lucky.
I am getting one because there aren’t many places you can’t take your dog. Every state allows dogs, not every state allows guns. If I take my PPD to California and he bites a criminal or someone who is trying to harm me, I may or may not, face charges. On the other hand, if I pull out my pistol and kill them, no lawyer is going to win that case. I unlawfully took a handgun, across several state lines, into a state that doesn’t recognize anyone else’s concealed carry. That’s why I want a dog.

Bentwings

· #8 · 5 mo ago

Sitka said:
I’ve recently been looking for a PPD. I’ve seen the dogs that are $100k or more, I can’t justify it for something that is 2-3 years old and I may only have for 10 more years if I’m lucky.
I am getting one because there aren’t many places you can’t take your dog. Every state allows dogs, not every state allows guns. If I take my PPD to California and he bites a criminal or someone who is trying to harm me, I may or may not, face charges. On the other hand, if I pull out my pistol and kill them, no lawyer is going to win that case. I unlawfully took a handgun, across several state lines, into a state that doesn’t recognize anyone else’s concealed carry. That’s why I want a dog.

You want to talk money best talk to your home owner insurance co. They may exclude PPD. Then contact personal insurance co see if you can get insurance that will cover you if your dog bites someone you can get it fit gun ownership that will at least get you out of jail the first night or two but personal liability insurance might be pretty steep price . I like to say if the dog can bark hard then curl up on command you have a good home security dog otherwise just be very wealthy

Steetson

· #9 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

Sitka said:
I’ve recently been looking for a PPD. I’ve seen the dogs that are $100k or more, I can’t justify it for something that is 2-3 years old and I may only have for 10 more years if I’m lucky.
I am getting one because there aren’t many places you can’t take your dog. Every state allows dogs, not every state allows guns. If I take my PPD to California and he bites a criminal or someone who is trying to harm me, I may or may not, face charges. On the other hand, if I pull out my pistol and kill them, no lawyer is going to win that case. I unlawfully took a handgun, across several state lines, into a state that doesn’t recognize anyone else’s concealed carry. That’s why I want a dog.

Comparing a protection dog to a gun is kinda ridiculous though. Yeah I do own(and carry) a handgun on me most of the time.(Glock 17 with variety of galco holsters from Galco if that matters) but is it going to wake me up once intruder is in my house, or even tackle it while I'm still half asleep? Nope!

I feel like even $50k is some extreme amount, you can get a purebred pup for like 3-4k and another 5-10 tops for the trainer. Why would you even need a full grown PPD "right now", rather start from the pup and train it.

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Bentwings

· #10 · 2 mo ago

It would be much safer to just get a permit to carry a hand gun and take gun handling lessons . Then get a big insurance policy that will get you out of jail if you shoot some one . A pp dog can get you in a lot of trouble plus you have your prize dog taken and put down . Fighting personal injury from dog issues is a lot hard to fight. Leave these for the police . If you want a dog to bark in the home Most can be easily trained a big growls dog is a good deterrent

Sitka

· #11 · 2 mo ago

Steetson said:
I feel like even $50k is some extreme amount, you can get a purebred pup for like 3-4k and another 5-10 tops for the trainer. Why would you even need a full grown PPD "right now", rather start from the pup and train it.

I am in the market but not in a hurry. I also want a pup but you take a chance with a pup not becoming what you want. Even with perfect training and socialization, you may end up with a dog that is not exactly what you are wanting. Lacking drive, scared or even the other side of the coin and they are over the top and more than civilians can handle.

Sitka

· #12 · 2 mo ago

Bentwings said:
It would be much safer to just get a permit to carry a hand gun and take gun handling lessons . Then get a big insurance policy that will get you out of jail if you shoot some one . A pp dog can get you in a lot of trouble plus you have your prize dog taken and put down . Fighting personal injury from dog issues is a lot hard to fight. Leave these for the police . If you want a dog to bark in the home Most can be easily trained a big growls dog is a good deterrent

I get what you are saying, CCP are fine in your state or states that honor your permit. In states like California, which do not honor anyone else’s CCP and you shoot someone, like I’ve said you’re going to prison. No questions asked. In states with strict gun laws, if you shoot someone, you’re going to jail. Insurance policy to get you out would be a waste of time. I will take my chances with a dog that has been trained properly.
If they take my dog and euthanize him for doing his job, they had better home I do not win the case against the person he attacked!

Steetson

· #13 · 2 mo ago

Sitka said:
I get what you are saying, CCP are fine in your state or states that honor your permit. In states like California, which do not honor anyone else’s CCP and you shoot someone, like I’ve said you’re going to prison. No questions asked. In states with strict gun laws, if you shoot someone, you’re going to jail. Insurance policy to get you out would be a waste of time. I will take my chances with a dog that has been trained properly.

Yeah, Cali laws are pretty steep in that regard.
Also in general there are probably a bunch of people here from Canada with a lot of gun laws too, especially when it comes to non-hunting firearms. Dog might not be cheaper, but it's much safer and in general(when we are not talking strictly US) more available option.

Sitka

· #14 · 2 mo ago

The state I live in, we have very open and strong laws on gun ownership and possession. We are a constitutional concealed carry state. However, if I leave my state and go to places like Massachusetts, Delaware, DC, California, etc. I do not carry with me. I will be taking the dog and if we are in an area where I feel the dog will be over stimulated or has a high probability to bite someone without being told, he will be muzzled. No bad dogs, just bad chooses from people who own them. Obedience is a big deal and my current dogs have a strong foundation.

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HochadelK9

· #15 · 2 mo ago

tacdog15 said:
I can't get the concept of buying a $50,000 to $100,000 protection dog I can understand a dog alerting you when someone comes to the door or an estate guardian dog If you have a mansion or a house with a lot of land or a person that lives in a country that does not allow the use of firearms for self-defense. But if you live in the United States why not just buy a gun Glocks are like $500 to $600 and ARs are like $500 to $800. I just don't get the concept the dogs are expensive just to buy. Then you have to continue their training which is also expensive you have to take them to the vet which is expensive buy their food and toys which an ongoing cost and then the dog can't work and protect you forever he will eventually get old to the point where he can't do his job anymore and then you cant the dog everywhere you go like the grocery store, the movies, or the bank.

That is an absolute ridiculous amount of money for one for most people. I have provided a KNPV PH1, full trained imported dog for $10k-$12k. Those selling dogs for $50k+ are just middlemen capitalizing on supply, demand, and manipulative marketing. There’s no reason that the dog their selling for $50k is any different than a titled PH1 dog.

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