Greg's explination of a dog as a pack animal makes senss to me. To carry it further, some breeds are much less pack orentated then others. Terriers, for instance. When we go hunting with a pack of 2-3-4, they have no interest in hanging together. With most of them, they aren't even interested in being social. It can be quite the opposite with many of them. If the hunting is slow, things can speed up reeeel fast with a group of bored terriers.
What do you think of The Dog Whisperer Cesar Milan?
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Jenni,Jenni Williams said:Connie, I'll be the judge of that when I get Caleb back. I demand perfection, and I mean PERFECTION! :twisted:
Must admit, his dogs know better than to screw around on his watch; he runs a pretty tight ship with some pretty headstrong pooches...man, I HATE compliments...ouch. :x
You must not be feeling well at all.
Besides I think I need to work on Widget not Caleb. :twisted: As for your Peke or Pom or whatever it is.....consult the "dog whisperer". :twisted: I think that would be an excellent challenge for Cesar. :wink:
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Since everyone is raving about this "Dog Whisperer" (the titled is "official" for about a dozen people, from what I've read), I'll look in the TV guide to see when this show airs locally, I'll watch a few episodes then I'll repost if my opinion has changed. Perhaps the episode or two I saw didn't do him justice?
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It is a TV show, with producers and editors, meant to entertain (and sneak in a service).Sarah Hall said:
That said, though, it's still darned good, IMO.
National Geographic channel. The one-hour episodes are the new (and much better) episodes, with him allowed to give more time to each segment. (They used to squeeze two dogs into a half-hour episode; now it's three, generally, in one hour.)
Friday nights are the new episodes.
P.S. I think the "official" title of DW is because of the name of the TV show.....and maybe the somewhat unusual spelling of his name: Cesar Millan.
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The guy is good at getting the results he wants with dogs.No question about it.He is also very good with people.
While I dont agree with some of his philosophies,I must respect him.I bet there is alot more to the guy than what you see on TV.
I wouldnt make a final decision on whether I liked or disliked him or his methods till I met him face to face.
Greg
While I dont agree with some of his philosophies,I must respect him.I bet there is alot more to the guy than what you see on TV.
I wouldnt make a final decision on whether I liked or disliked him or his methods till I met him face to face.
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I'm not sure if I have Nat'l Geo. channel... can anyone in Central Florida with Brighthouse Networks tell me if this channel requires a box, or if it's on basic cable? If I can't get it, I'll have my mom tivo it for me.
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You'll have fun, if nothing else, trying to figure out what steps/tools the editors take out for fear of angering the Gentle Leader set that is probably 90% of their core audience. See how many prongs, ecollars, submission techniqes, etc. you spot! :lol: I am sure the editors at NG have a heart attack trying to soft shoe some of his methods. He is not afraid to take down a dog, as near as I have seen so far. The episode with him calming the Jindo was pretty hectic...that dog was pretty pi$$ed and didn't mind opening up on CM.Sarah Hall said:
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It's a digital channel.Sarah Hall said:
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Thank god he isn't a Gentle Leader guy. I'll give him immediate credit for that! I'll take a close look next time it comes on, I didn't before, so that's probably where my opinion came from. I'm willing to give it a chance to reconsider
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I think Connie pointed out that he likes to use the equipment that the owners have on hand, I guess I most often him seeing reversing a nylon leash and threading it through the handle to get a choke collar (not a fan of that myself, but there we are...). He will also use a neat device I don't see other places that forces a collar up higher on a dog's neck...don't know what you call it, my guess is most of you know what I'm talking about from your own experiences.Sarah Hall said:Thank god he isn't a Gentle Leader guy. I'll give him immediate credit for that! I'll take a close look next time it comes on, I didn't before, so that's probably where my opinion came from. I'm willing to give it a chance to reconsider
Definitely the most dramatic things he has done is, according to what other posters have stated on another forum, is choke out dominant dogs. They feel if you look at his posturing over the dog and how the dog is shown recovering that it's been choked out. My eyes are trained enough to detect that but he definitely throws down with dogs and will take them down hard by the throat if they go after him.
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The one everyone detected (dog in next scene is waking from nap) was Emily, the Pit. I saw it too, and you would too, Woody. It was a one-dog episode. Emily was "red-zone" and had to come to live with his pack for a few weeks.Woody Taylor said:I think Connie pointed out that he likes to use the equipment that the owners have on hand, I guess I most often him seeing reversing a nylon leash and threading it through the handle to get a choke collar (not a fan of that myself, but there we are...). He will also use a neat device I don't see other places that forces a collar up higher on a dog's neck...don't know what you call it, my guess is most of you know what I'm talking about from your own experiences.Sarah Hall said:Thank god he isn't a Gentle Leader guy. I'll give him immediate credit for that! I'll take a close look next time it comes on, I didn't before, so that's probably where my opinion came from. I'm willing to give it a chance to reconsider
Definitely the most dramatic things he has done is, according to what other posters have stated on another forum, is choke out dominant dogs. They feel if you look at his posturing over the dog and how the dog is shown recovering that it's been choked out. My eyes are trained enough to detect that but he definitely throws down with dogs and will take them down hard by the throat if they go after him.
But your post sounds scary and violent to me! :wink: Actually, having seen every episode and him (a few times), and having read the book, I feel very strongly that he uses the least tool necessary in all situations.
It's hard to remember that almost every time we see him on TV, it's with such a problem dog (meaning, has been biting or has killed) that CM was called.
That's when he fashions a choke or takes an Illusion collar with him (his design of a dominant-dog collar).
Again, he often says "I have no issue with anyone's choice of tools. Tools are not the point."
And also again, he saves dogs who would otherwise be put down.
OK, I'll stop. A groupie at my age........
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The one everyone detected (dog in next scene is waking from nap) was Emily, the Pit. I saw it too, and you would too, Woody. It was a one-dog episode. Emily was "red-zone" and had to come to live with his pack for a few weeks.Woody Taylor said:I think Connie pointed out that he likes to use the equipment that the owners have on hand, I guess I most often him seeing reversing a nylon leash and threading it through the handle to get a choke collar (not a fan of that myself, but there we are...). He will also use a neat device I don't see other places that forces a collar up higher on a dog's neck...don't know what you call it, my guess is most of you know what I'm talking about from your own experiences.Sarah Hall said:Thank god he isn't a Gentle Leader guy. I'll give him immediate credit for that! I'll take a close look next time it comes on, I didn't before, so that's probably where my opinion came from. I'm willing to give it a chance to reconsider
Definitely the most dramatic things he has done is, according to what other posters have stated on another forum, is choke out dominant dogs. They feel if you look at his posturing over the dog and how the dog is shown recovering that it's been choked out. My eyes are trained enough to detect that but he definitely throws down with dogs and will take them down hard by the throat if they go after him.
But your post sounds scary and violent to me! :wink: Actually, having seen every episode and him (a few times), and having read the book, I feel very strongly that he uses the least tool necessary in all situations.
It's hard to remember that almost every time we see him on TV, it's with such a problem dog (meaning, has been biting or has killed) that CM was called.
That's when he fashions a choke or takes an Illusion collar with him (his design of a dominant-dog collar).
Again, he often says "I have no issue with anyone's choice of tools. Tools are not the point."
And also again, he saves dogs who would otherwise be put down.
OK, I'll stop. A groupie at my age........
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The one everyone detected (dog in next scene is waking from nap) was Emily, the Pit. I saw it too, and you would too, Woody. It was a one-dog episode. Emily was "red-zone" and had to come to live with his pack for a few weeks.Woody Taylor said:I think Connie pointed out that he likes to use the equipment that the owners have on hand, I guess I most often him seeing reversing a nylon leash and threading it through the handle to get a choke collar (not a fan of that myself, but there we are...). He will also use a neat device I don't see other places that forces a collar up higher on a dog's neck...don't know what you call it, my guess is most of you know what I'm talking about from your own experiences.Sarah Hall said:Thank god he isn't a Gentle Leader guy. I'll give him immediate credit for that! I'll take a close look next time it comes on, I didn't before, so that's probably where my opinion came from. I'm willing to give it a chance to reconsider
Definitely the most dramatic things he has done is, according to what other posters have stated on another forum, is choke out dominant dogs. They feel if you look at his posturing over the dog and how the dog is shown recovering that it's been choked out. My eyes are trained enough to detect that but he definitely throws down with dogs and will take them down hard by the throat if they go after him.
But your post sounds scary and violent to me! :wink: Actually, having seen every episode and him (a few times), and having read the book, I feel very strongly that he uses the least tool necessary in all situations.
It's hard to remember that almost every time we see him on TV, it's with such a problem dog (meaning, has been biting or has killed) that CM was called.
That's when he fashions a choke or takes an Illusion collar with him (his design of a dominant-dog collar).
Again, he often says "I have no issue with anyone's choice of tools. Tools are not the point."
And also again, he saves dogs who would otherwise be put down.
OK, I'll stop. A groupie at my age........
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A triple-post!Connie Sutherland said:The one everyone detected (dog in next scene is waking from nap) was Emily, the Pit. I saw it too, and you would too, Woody. It was a one-dog episode. Emily was "red-zone" and had to come to live with his pack for a few weeks.Woody Taylor said:I think Connie pointed out that he likes to use the equipment that the owners have on hand, I guess I most often him seeing reversing a nylon leash and threading it through the handle to get a choke collar (not a fan of that myself, but there we are...). He will also use a neat device I don't see other places that forces a collar up higher on a dog's neck...don't know what you call it, my guess is most of you know what I'm talking about from your own experiences.Sarah Hall said:Thank god he isn't a Gentle Leader guy. I'll give him immediate credit for that! I'll take a close look next time it comes on, I didn't before, so that's probably where my opinion came from. I'm willing to give it a chance to reconsider
Definitely the most dramatic things he has done is, according to what other posters have stated on another forum, is choke out dominant dogs. They feel if you look at his posturing over the dog and how the dog is shown recovering that it's been choked out. My eyes are trained enough to detect that but he definitely throws down with dogs and will take them down hard by the throat if they go after him.
But your post sounds scary and violent to me! :wink: Actually, having seen every episode and him (a few times), and having read the book, I feel very strongly that he uses the least tool necessary in all situations.
It's hard to remember that almost every time we see him on TV, it's with such a problem dog (meaning, has been biting or has killed) that CM was called.
That's when he fashions a choke or takes an Illusion collar with him (his design of a dominant-dog collar).
Again, he often says "I have no issue with anyone's choice of tools. Tools are not the point."
And also again, he saves dogs who would otherwise be put down.
OK, I'll stop. A groupie at my age........
I didn't see that one, I always thought they were referring to one I had seen and I felt even more dumb for not being able to see an unconscious dog.
Violently agree with you about humane methods. I guess what I was trying to say is that (in my opinion) his notion of humane lines up quite nicely with modern working dog trainers here in this forum.
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Somebody TiVo the shows for me, and I'll get them somehow !
I've stopped my digi cable, which also included my broadband connection
I've become a huge fan of Cesars. His approach & explinations are simple.
A real top dog!
PS: I get his newsletter, and here's something very interesting
in it:
The DOG WHISPERER TV Series Is Currently Looking For Submissions
! I've stopped my digi cable, which also included my broadband connection
I've become a huge fan of Cesars. His approach & explinations are simple.
A real top dog!
PS:
I get his newsletter, and here's something very interestingin it:
The DOG WHISPERER TV Series Is Currently Looking For Submissions
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Well, also in the new newsletter was the announcement that Season 1 (2004) is available on DVD, and his office assures me (I asked by email) that this season (2006) will be available later, too. This season is so much better (and I was a big fan of Season 1!)..........Martin Espericueta said:Somebody TiVo the shows for me, and I'll get them somehow
I've stopped my digi cable, which also included my broadband connection
I've become a huge fan of Cesars. His approach & explinations are simple.
A real top dog!
PS:
in it:
The DOG WHISPERER TV Series Is Currently Looking For Submissions
That channel and the Bio Channel (for several British mystery series) are the only reasons I pay for the "expanded" part of Comcast! :lol:
I wish I had Tivo.
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The only time I wish I lived down in Southern California instead of up here on the Monterey Bay is when I think about his facility and seminars in L.A.Bob Scott said:
And Disneyland, also down there.
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Okay, Connie, one more comment about how tough life it on Monterrey and I will find a less abusive chatroom.Connie Sutherland said:The only time I wish I lived down in Southern California instead of up here on the Monterey Bay is when I think about his facility and seminars in L.A.Bob Scott said:
And Disneyland, also down there.
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Yes, the Monterey Bay area is just awful in terms of distance from Cesar Milan and Disneyland. Plus it was foggy all day.Woody Taylor said:.....Okay, Connie, one more comment about how tough life it on Monterrey and I will find a less abusive chatroom.
Your post made me burst out laughing, Woody! :lol: :lol:
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