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Hello All,

I keep finding ads in my local newspapers for AKC reg. GSD puppies. Some
even say, \"working lines\". None say \"imports\", however. So, these are the
local breeders, or \"backyard breeders\" of American \"show lines\", right?
I'm assuming so...

Pricing in these ads typically runs from $250.00/$400.00 for pups, to $800.00/$1,000.00
for \"working lines\".

So, my question is, what is the typical price for a true \"working line\" GSD,
one that you all would consider for yourselves:

Pricing for an:
  • American breeder pup
  • Import breeder pup
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  • German import
  • Dutch import
[*]Other
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Can I get separate pricing for GSDs, Dutch, and Mals?
Researching this leads to 1k of ads for \"cheap dogs\"!!!
 

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It really depends on your region. With you being in Cali (according to your miniprofile on the left), you will see much higher prices from breeders in your area. I do a lot of research and looking around at litters and talking to other breeders, so I'll give you what I've found in GSDs...

Litters bred in the US from Import or domestic dogs:
Average working line litter w/ guarantees = $800-1800
Average showline litter w/ guarantees = $1500-5000

Litters bred in Europe and pups shipped from Europe (which usually does NOT include a guarantee on hips/elbows/health):
Average working line litter = 500-2500 Euros

If you see something under $500, then it's most likely a BYB or a dog that must be sterilized.
 

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Is it of any help if I give some prices here (without the shipping, and (probably the extra charges for export)):

x- Mals/DS (KNPV) E 175-250, that´s aprox $ 200-300
reg Mals (working lines) E 450-600, that´s aprox $ 475-625
reg. GSD (working lines E 550-800, that´s aprox $ 600-850
reg DS E 400-500, that´s aprox $425-525
 

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Quote:Is it of any help if I give some prices here (without the shipping, and (probably the extra charges for export)):

x- Mals/DS (KNPV) E 175-250, that´s aprox $ 200-300
reg Mals (working lines) E 450-600, that´s aprox $ 475-625
reg. GSD (working lines E 550-800, that´s aprox $ 600-850
reg DS E 400-500, that´s aprox $425-525

Don't forget the \"Your an American\" tax, so that takes the price of a Mal 1000 E - 1500 E

The GSD is well over that, from some of the guys I have talked to. Maybe not necessarily your area, but they were really griping at how the Mal is not cheap anymore.



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All that sounds about right from my experience....

My showline GSD was $1200, I've found working lines for $750-2200. My dutchie was about $850 + shipping, but I could have gotten a Dutchie/Mal cross for as little as $275, I was absolutely amazed when I got some of the pricing from these guys! Unfortunately the breeder I would have went with had I chosen a KNPV line dutchie (mal/dutchie cross) emailed me not long ago saying he had 5 pups, 2 were stuck in the womb/vagina and died, 1 died at birth, the mother killed 1 and only 1 female survived.

Selena, do you know Harry Kreeft? It was his litter I had also considered.

American line GSD's, I've seen em for as little as $100 to $500.

Pitbull puppies anywhere from $50+ and you can find em just about anywhere in the Orlando Ghetto, any color you want! And they're not stolen! :p :lol: Badly bred yes, but not stolen! :p
 

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Jeff Oehlsen said:
Don't forget the \"Your an American\" tax, so that takes the price of a Mal 1000 E - 1500 E

that´s why I added this part (euphemism)

Selena van Leeuwen said:
and (probably) the extra charges for export)
Mike Schoonbrood said:
Selena, do you know Harry Kreeft? It was his litter I had also considered.
Yes, by name for sure and have seen a few times but not spoken with him. Good reputation as a breeder and as person.

I charge E 250, puppies are vaccinated, have identification chip, of course dewormed etc., and leave at 7 wks.
 
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I wouldn't buy anything out of the newspaper. It seems that most really reputable breeders' litters are sold before they're born, so there's no need to advertise. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to this, but I would have to be really confident in my ability to assess puppies and their parents before I'd even consider buying from someone who places an ad in the paper. But maybe that's because there's NO ONE in my area selling anything decent, so I'm bitter 8) . Caleb was $1500; (I don't care to add up how much he REALLY cost when you add airfare, crate, health cert, etc.) I could've found one a little cheaper, but I really liked that particular combo, and I knew it was probably my last chance to get a son from his sire. So, it depends alot on the parents and your motivation for buying a pup and your intentions. Sorry to ramble; puppy prices are a sore spot for me-my family still hasn't shut the hell up about what I paid for Caleb :x . They know &*%$!
 

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I know you all will probably point and laugh at me, but I paid $2,500 for Jak. However, IF anything should happen that he can't do the work, or if he develops hip or elbow displasia (or other health issue), or if he were to become too much for me to handle, or whatever reason at all, I can give him back and get another dog no questions asked. Yes, I could have gotten an 8 week old puppy for between $800 and $1,000 from another breeder that breeds and trains for police departments, but there would have been no guarantees at all, except for maybe a replacement puppy should the one I got develop displasia. I really didn't want to buy from out of state or from so far away that the puppy would have to be shipped to me and I didn't get to go and see him or his parents, and that would have been my only other option if I had not bought from one of the two breeders I had to choose from semi-locally. And honestly, by the time I paid to have him shipped, bought an airline approved crate (since the airlines have horrendous rules about that now), and all of the crap that has to be done when you have a puppy shipped to you, it probably would have ended up being pretty close to what I paid, right?
 

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:eek: :eek: :eek: those prices

The garantuees is nothing more than standing for your product, IMO and comes with breeding. In my opinion you´re responsible for your puppies till they die....
 

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I agree Selena... My puppy has a bite guarantee and a HD guarantee. I don't know what the terms are, I don't care, I never asked. She's my puppy, if she doesn't bite she won't get sent back... but... well, I don't see that being a problem LOL!!! If she develops HD, I'll deal with it, but she still won't get sent back or replaced. Once my dog is my dog he/she is my dog no matter what, period, end of story. If she cost me $5000 on hip replacement surgery or whatever the going rate is for that surgery, then that's just the way life goes.

If you really want a specific pup then I don't see a problem in paying for that pup whatever you're comfortable paying, I could have gotten a dutch shepherd without papers for 1/3 of the price, I don't care about papers at all, my GSD has papers but I haven't even registered him yet, I keep meaning to do it but I always forget, he's almost 2 years old now :lol: But I liked the choice I made with both my dutchie and my GSD so I was OK with paying more. I could have gotten a GSD for 1/2 the price too, but I liked the breeder I went to so I paid the price.

I would never pick a breeder based on their guarantees, but rather the dog... but if you like the dogs then the guarantees are a bonus I guess... if a dog was \"too much\" for me, I would learn to handle the dog and figure out suitable living arrangements, not give the dog up, but I know that if I were to want to get rid of my dutchie (not gonna happen!!) I could ship the dog back to Johan and he would accept her back without a problem.

I have no problem with someone paying even $3000 for a dog if that's what they want to pay, as long as the reasons for buying the dog are the right reasons :D
 

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the prices I know are only from malinois,
papered mals 500 and up (our last 2 ones were 600 each and one was acually 650 (2,5 years ago) but as we made reservations for the old price we could get her for that) I already know breeders that ask 750 euro, what in my opninion is way to high........(for the Netherlands and Belgium, because I know that for instance in Finland 800 euro is a \"normal\" price for a mal)
cross bred mals from 200 and up (mostly until 300/350, but I recently heard from someone asking 400 :eek: and no, no \"you are an American tax\" just Dutch people..........

and yep, prices are without shipping if needed....
 
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If you're not set on a certain set of parents, then buying locally is much easier of course. $2500 seems high, but I have to say that Caleb was closer to $2000 when those other things were added in. You shouldn't have to pay $2500 for a guarantee, though. I don't recall a single breeder I considered who didn't offer the same (almost identical to each other) guarantee regarding hips,elbows, other genetic health issues, and requires the dog to be returned to them if any problems (dog or personal) should arise. I would never have even paid $1500-$2000 for a dog w/out a full replacement guarantee.
 

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Mike Schoonbrood said:
My showline GSD was $1200...
Cujo is from Showlines :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: (JK :wink: )

I thank you all for the info. I'm actually embarrassed b/c I thought that AKC
registered dogs were, as my kids would say, \"Da Bomb\"! I thought that AKC
registration was all there was in the dog world, actually.

I paid $50.00 for a $150.00 pup. The owner of both parents sold the pups so
cheap b/c he never bothered to register the parents. They're purebred thought.

Anyway...

Once I picked up Sable, I did research, and found the training articles that Ed
Frawley has written on working dogs, as well as the Leerburg dog forum. And
now this forum :lol: !!!

I'm very exited to have Sable evaluated for PP and/or SchH. And if, by the
off-chance that a $50.00 non-working line pedigreed GSD will do fairly well
w/PP and/or SchH, then that'd be so cool! If not, she'll stay with me for as
long as God keeps her by my side as one of my best friends :p

BTW, anyone want to sell me a Dutchie or Mal for $50.00 (only half joking)?
 

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Yes Cujo is from Showlines (german not american). His parents both worked, his mothers mother was an exceptionally hard dog with excellent working abilities. He's not gonna win any championships, but he can handle alot of stress and defensive work -- but the difference between him and a working line dog, besides intensity and working abilities, is the effort it takes to train... Cujo requires ALOT of work to train him, whereas a working line dog will bite, n jump over things, climb onto stuff with very little training. Everything Cujo does (not to brag or anything :lol:) is because I've spent the time to teach it to him and build him up... it teaches you a whole lot more than buying a dog that \"just does everything\"... when Lÿka is older I'm sure I'll have alot less issues in training her than I did with Cujo, she'll probably be alot more obedient, alot quicker, and alot more willing to do things that Cujo hesitates to do. I wouldn't suggest to someone to get a showline dog if they want to work, but I have what I have and he's taught me more than I would have learnt if I went with a working line dog. Now I have a working line dog who's gonna be easier to raise because I already learnt so much, and she's going to teach me other things, probably about handling dominance and aggression :lol: :lol:

 

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Martin Espericueta said:
BTW, anyone want to sell me a Dutchie or Mal for $50.00 (only half joking)?

NO way! I don´t earn money on my litters, usually they cost me..but I won´t sell for $50...or you get a puppy for free (agreement) or pay 250 euros (but this hypotically, ´cause I will probably not sell to the US).
 

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Selena van Leeuwen said:
NO way! I don´t earn money on my litters, usually they cost me..but I won´t sell for $50...or you get a puppy for free (agreement) or pay 250 euros (but this hypotically, ´cause I will probably not sell to the US).
Yeah E250 sounded cheap, I was wondering if they COST you money :lol:

I don't even know how they sell ANY puppy for $150, let alone $50... I just spent $280 on food and bones for my 2 dogs that'll probably last 6-8 weeks, n that's only 2 dogs, a puppy and an adult! Let alone a litter of 8+ pups.

Speaking of puppy, I took her swimming again this morning, she's starting to get the hang of it :D I love the swimming, even if she swims just 3ft 2 or 3 times, she sleeps for hours after!! :lol:
 

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Selena van Leeuwen said:
Martin Espericueta said:
BTW, anyone want to sell me a Dutchie or Mal for $50.00 (only half joking)?

NO way! I don´t earn money on my litters, usually they cost me..but I won´t sell for $50...or you get a puppy for free (agreement) or pay 250 euros (but this hypotically, ´cause I will probably not sell to the US).

aww. c'mon selena. don't you want to build a nice set of van leeuwen bloodlines over here? tommy can't be the only blood over here....
 

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Mike Schoonbrood said:
Selena van Leeuwen said:
NO way! I don´t earn money on my litters, usually they cost me..but I won´t sell for $50...or you get a puppy for free (agreement) or pay 250 euros (but this hypotically, ´cause I will probably not sell to the US).
Yeah E250 sounded cheap, I was wondering if they COST you money :lol:

I don't even know how they sell ANY puppy for $150, let alone $50... I just spent $280 on food and bones for my 2 dogs that'll probably last 6-8 weeks, n that's only 2 dogs, a puppy and an adult! Let alone a litter of 8+ pups.
cost last litter ( 4 puppies, 1 died at birth):
- breed money 200 euro
- gas cost 50 euro
- puppyfood 50 euro
- vet bill 250 euro (deworming, indentification chip, shots)
- time priceless

income:
1 puppy 250 euro (charged 200 last year, got some extra)

1 puppy on (breeding)agreement to UK (leaves may 1th this year), so feeding 9 mo., rabies shots, blood test, x ray etc. is for us.
1 puppy on agreement
1 puppy for me/ us, for sport and breeding.

If Benta is pregnant again, 1 puppy will stay with us and I don´t expect more than 6 puppies....so do the math :roll:

It´s an expensive hobby, breeding :wink:
 
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$50 was a joke, Selena. He said he was \"only half joking,\" but I really don't think he expected anyone to say \"yes.\" :wink:

I have heard of perfectly fine puppies being given away for one reason or another. People seem to try to give Greg dogs all the time, for one reason or another...and they're usually really good dogs. :eek:
 

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Jenni Williams said:
$50 was a joke, Selena. He said he was \"only half joking,\" but I really don't think he expected anyone to say \"yes.\" :wink:

I have heard of perfectly fine puppies being given away for one reason or another. People seem to try to give Greg dogs all the time, for one reason or another...and they're usually really good dogs. :eek:
I know Jenni :wink: but my reply still stands... or no charge or full prize :wink: Maybe because Greg can make them even better :wink:
 
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