Really ?? Again with this shit ?? What was wrong with the first kennel you asked about ?? DO you really even know ??
Just get Jerry to get you a dog. Enough with the kennel cluelessness. Randomly asking about kennels is annoying. Did YOU talk to them????
You are just gonna have to realize a few things here. Most people here are absolutely clueless about training, about breeding, and are on their first dog.
They repeat shit like parrots, without understanding what it is that they say.
The guy whose kennel you mentioned the first time has forgotton more about the GSD than everyone on here with very few exceptions will EVER know.
Stick with that guy. He was one of the good guys back in the day who wanted to keep the GSD strong. Maybe he said **** it, many of the good ones have, but you are not even talking to these people, and wouldn't know a good dog in the first place. Need to figure that out first.
Stuart is doing his reseach. He has talked to these people but most dog people are like used car dealers, most will tell you what you want to hear. A newbie really don't know what to ask but they do want a good dog to put time and money into. You may be right about some people on this forum but for the most part I think you're wrong about this.
Information he gets from people that has dogs out of these kennels is a fantastic way to get good info. People here may have something from these kennels or knows someone who does.
I thank you very much about him getting one from me but I don't have anything to offer right now. If I did he would be the type person I would sell to. He has a goal and knows somewhat of the type of dog he's looking for. Besides he's getting an education on different kennels and salesmen. It's all good.
He should just get you to go look at pups with him. It would be worth the gas money/beer/bucks.
I just don't think that he is gonna get what he is looking for here, where if he at least made an appointment with you to go look at a couple of places with you, he could avoid a lot of the silly shit. Bring that kid of yours with too. : )
Yes I talked with Mr. Reed at True Haus I like what he had to say. I also spoke with Mr. Lino and like what he had to say also but if I knew everything about the working dog and its breeders I would not be asking any questions. The only way to learn is to ask. You probably have good advice for people about the working dog but being a smart ass does not help.
I understand what you are saying Jeff, I appreciate it. It's kind of hard just to get in a car or plane and go across the US to talk to a good salesman about his wonderful product that he thinks so highly about. Where the truth is amoung people that know what is actually produced from these breeders. True you will get some off the wall stuff but you can expect that and have to take ALL that you hear with a grain of salt. That's where research is and will work. You take the info you are presented with and make a decision from what you have. He has gotten some good info on PMs from good sources.
PS: As long as the breeders are not bashed by others on the forum I think it's good research.
I really do say much on any of the discussion forums that I go on, but I will tell you that Stuart is a good man and he is also doing his own research on bloodlines and breeders, as well as seeking help from his friends. You have to start somwwhere and like jerry said not everyone that wants to get a good puppy can take time off of work and fly all over the country looking at different litters and breeders.I spent a lot of time in the SAR world and most of the folks that do SAR work are folks that want to give something back to society and will talk top you all day long about what they have learned and want to pass that along to others and are eager to learn from others themseves. Most SAR people are team players even though I have seen some politics come into play with a few over the years. But not out on a search when they are out there in front of people.
I aslo dabbled in the sport of NVBK for about 2 1/2 years and was with a good group of people doing this.
Now I am going to address what that Jeff guy said above. If you have a problem with what Stuart is asking then I will tell you that it is your problem and not Stuart's.I don't know if you personnaly know Jerry and Jay but I will tell you that I find them to be very good folks, But I aslo don't think that I would want to get up in Jay's face and just bluntly call him a kid even if he is very midly mannered. A lot of people on this board may find your abrupt comments very annoying, but it appears to me that's just the type of mentally that you have
Quote: Now I am going to address what that Jeff guy said above. If you have a problem with what Stuart is asking then I will tell you that it is your problem and not Stuart's.I don't know if you personnaly know Jerry and Jay but I will tell you that I find them to be very good folks, But I aslo don't think that I would want to get up in Jay's face and just bluntly call him a kid even if he is very midly mannered.
That Jeff guy ?? LOL
So Jerry doesn't have a kid named Jay ??
Quote: A lot of people on this board may find your abrupt comments very annoying
Go cry to the mods like everyone else. I see you are a great contributer to this board.......NOT. I see you do SAR. HA HA
There is a saying if you are going to dish it out you must be able to take it when it comes back on you. To me you are one that can not handle it when it comes back to you. I did get a good laugh from your comments and that of your mentality. I think you are a bull shiter, and this will end my comments so go ahead if you want too and show use some more of your mentality.
What is the matter bird boy, you get picked on in high school ?? Didn't get picked till last in sports and you are all bitter ?? When you contribute something other than crying because people are not doing what you want, maybe someone will listen.
You are probably complaining to the mods right now, demanding that this foolishness stop. However, it takes a personality, and experience in dog training to keep a board like this interesting. You have neither.
Please feel free to take yourself out of the gene pool.
Buy a green dog. You can do your homework forever and pick out what you think is the right puppy and be wrong. Jerry or someone can help you find a nice green dog, test it and be on your way to whatever you want to do with the dog. You'll hear over and over that puppies are a crapshoot because it's true.
Its alright Allen, I don't mind being called kid. I actually thought it was funny. Stuart is just trying to find out some info so he will get a good dog that can be trained well and produce the results that he wants, and there's nothing wrong with that. Don't take Jeff personal guys, he is just being Jeff. In reality he would probably be a fun person to train with seeing that he likes to cut up so much. He might fit right in with us. Maybe..:-k LOL
I said I would not comment any more, Jeff may like to kid around but I will say again if your goiing to dish it out be able to take the shit that comes back to you. Hell as for me I buy and sell assholes like Jeff ever day of the week I don't make any money doing so, it's just that it's so much fun to do. PS - Jeff if you have never seen a perfect asshole wraped in plastic then I will share this with you - all you have toi do is look at your drivers license.
I would love to train dogs with Jeff (AH) Oehlsen to see if he has it in himself to be a team player and share just a little bit of his knowledge.
nothing personal meant but you see Jeff I can take all the shit you have to dish out and more, just know that I can dish it out as well. Got to go for now as it is getting to hard to keep from laughing.