Even rules need to be published and they never supercede by-laws.
Care to bet good money on this?
Care to bet good money on this?
Support for UScA policy of not accepting GSDCA-WDA scorebooks?
I am curious how much support, from people who are in the schutzhund sport, of the UScA policy to not accept scorebooks or titles issued from the GSDCA-WDA? If you do or do not support, what is your rationale as to how your view benefits to the sport and potential solutions?
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KeithWhat's discussed over a beer and written on a cocktail napkin doesn't make a rule. It's not in their by-laws..period.
DVG has honored WDA titles and scorebooks long before they became members of the AWDF.
DVG requires as a DVG member that I use DVG scorebooks at their trials. AWDF decided that to enter the AWDF Championship you had to have an AWDF scorebook. AWDF agreed to sign both books so I guess that single scorebook issue isn't always enforced now is it?
The one score book rule is part of the new IPO rules going into effect on January 1
I've never heard of a one score book rule in existence at the current time. I've had no problem getting a DVG scorebook signed at any UScA or AWDF (UDC) event and visa versa
If a tree falls in the woods and Thomas doesn't hear it......KeithWhat's discussed over a beer and written on a cocktail napkin doesn't make a rule. It's not in their by-laws..period.
DVG has honored WDA titles and scorebooks long before they became members of the AWDF.
DVG requires as a DVG member that I use DVG scorebooks at their trials. AWDF decided that to enter the AWDF Championship you had to have an AWDF scorebook. AWDF agreed to sign both books so I guess that single scorebook issue isn't always enforced now is it?
The one score book rule is part of the new IPO rules going into effect on January 1
I've never heard of a one score book rule in existence at the current time. I've had no problem getting a DVG scorebook signed at any UScA or AWDF (UDC) event and visa versa
And if Christopher Smith says there's rule and he can't provide a link or any other proof?If a tree falls in the woods and Thomas doesn't hear it......
He's full of SHIT
I asked DVG about the AWDF scorebook issue come 1/1/2012. Right now until further notice they are operating under the premise that it will be the same procedure. At the AWDF Championship judges will sign both books just as they do now.Keith
The one score book rule is part of the new IPO rules going into effect on January 1
I've never heard of a one score book rule in existence at the current time. I've had no problem getting a DVG scorebook signed at any UScA or AWDF (UDC) event and visa versa
That's real possible. UScA isn't offering the Protection only titles or the new ZTP. So just because it's part of the new IPO rules doesn't mean anyone will follow it here.I asked DVG about the AWDF scorebook issue come 1/1/2012. Right now until further notice they are operating under the premise that it will be the same procedure. At the AWDF Championship judges will sign both books just as they do now.
Im not your research assistant. I'm doing your lazy ass a favor and telling you to read the rulebooks. If you did you would get learn, not just the info for short term, but you might understand other things also. For instance, if you learned the rules you would understand that UScA is not violating any rules by not offering the stpr titles.
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Actualy you would probably benefit from a rules refresher course. They will be offering the StPr. Its the SPr they will not be offering.Im not your research assistant. I'm doing your lazy ass a favor and telling you to read the rulebooks. If you did you would get learn, not just the info for short term, but you might understand other things also. For instance, if you learned the rules you would understand that UScA is not violating any rules by not offering the stpr titles.
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Who said anything about UScA violating any rules by not offering the stpr titles?????Im not your research assistant. I'm doing your lazy ass a favor and telling you to read the rulebooks. If you did you would get learn, not just the info for short term, but you might understand other things also. For instance, if you learned the rules you would understand that UScA is not violating any rules by not offering the stpr titles.
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You're sill full of shit and now trying to side step
From the AWDF rule book
Scorebooks
Each participating dog must have a scorebook issued or recognized by the AWDF member organization. The scorebook is issued according to the regulations of the handler’s appropriate organization. In any case, the judge enters the trial results in the scorebook, and, if there is a provision made in the scorebook, the trial chairperson must check the entry and verify it with his/her signature.
NOTHING about ONE score book in the current rules???
LMAO at Christopher "Full of Shit" Smith
Thomas you are a geriatric scabie and you don't know what you're talking about. Now it's time to ponder if you are also a deceitful gasbag or a dominate lemming try to run everyone else off a cliff.
From the 2012 scorebook (bottom of page 12):
Scorebook
A scorebook is mandatory for every participating dog. Issuance of the scorebook is done according to the instructions of the handler
From the 2012 scorebook (bottom of page 12):
Scorebook
A scorebook is mandatory for every participating dog. Issuance of the scorebook is done according to the instructions of the handler
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[FONT="]From the 2012 scorebook (bottom of page 12):[/FONT]
[FONT="]Scorebook[/FONT]
A scorebook is mandatory for every participating dog. Issuance of the scorebook is done according to the instructions of the handler’s corresponding National Organization. Important to note, only one
scorebook may be issued per dog. This is the responsibility of the issuing organization. The trial results must be recorded in the scorebook under all circumstances by the judge (LR) as well as the Trial
Secretary (PL), who is to double check the entry and sign the book.
As from 2012 it will be required that the following entries be made: Members number, name and breed of the dog, identification of the dog (tattoo nr. / Chip Nr.) Name and address of the owner of the dog,
entry of the total points in Phase A, B and C, qualification and TSB rating. Name of the judge and his
signature.
http://www.fci.be/circulaires/55-2011-annex-en.pdf
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[FONT="]From the 2012 scorebook (bottom of page 12):[/FONT]
[FONT="]Scorebook[/FONT]
A scorebook is mandatory for every participating dog. Issuance of the scorebook is done according to the instructions of the handler’s corresponding National Organization. Important to note, only one
scorebook may be issued per dog. This is the responsibility of the issuing organization. The trial results must be recorded in the scorebook under all circumstances by the judge (LR) as well as the Trial
Secretary (PL), who is to double check the entry and sign the book.
As from 2012 it will be required that the following entries be made: Members number, name and breed of the dog, identification of the dog (tattoo nr. / Chip Nr.) Name and address of the owner of the dog,
entry of the total points in Phase A, B and C, qualification and TSB rating. Name of the judge and his
signature.
http://www.fci.be/circulaires/55-2011-annex-en.pdf
The TWENTY TWELVE RULE BOOK doesn't take effect till[FONT="]
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[FONT="]From the 2012 scorebook (bottom of page 12):[/FONT]
[FONT="]Scorebook[/FONT]
A scorebook is mandatory for every participating dog. Issuance of the scorebook is done according to the instructions of the handler’s corresponding National Organization. Important to note, only one
scorebook may be issued per dog. This is the responsibility of the issuing organization. The trial results must be recorded in the scorebook under all circumstances by the judge (LR) as well as the Trial
Secretary (PL), who is to double check the entry and sign the book.
As from 2012 it will be required that the following entries be made: Members number, name and breed of the dog, identification of the dog (tattoo nr. / Chip Nr.) Name and address of the owner of the dog,
entry of the total points in Phase A, B and C, qualification and TSB rating. Name of the judge and his
signature.
http://www.fci.be/circulaires/55-2011-annex-en.pdf
JANUARY the one score book rule is not a current rule like
you said in post 18
"Just because a club is doing something does not mean that they are in compliance with the rules. For instance there's, and has been for years, a IPO rule saying that you can only have one scorebook."
So "geriatic scabie' or whatever insult you care to think up
YOU ARE STILL FULL OF SHIT
Mike West
In January Gunther Diegel will be in the US hosting a judges seminar for the WDA. If they pass the test, Mike West, Wendall Nope, and Doug Alexander will all be SVR judges. Which will mean the USCA has to accept the titles from these judges.
What happens then? LMAO
In January Gunther Diegel will be in the US hosting a judges seminar for the WDA. If they pass the test, Mike West, Wendall Nope, and Doug Alexander will all be SVR judges. Which will mean the USCA has to accept the titles from these judges.
What happens then? LMAO
It's the same rule in the 2008 rule book Uncle Scabie.The TWENTY TWELVE RULE BOOK doesn't take effect till
JANUARY the one score book rule is not a current rule like
you said in post 18
"Just because a club is doing something does not mean that they are in compliance with the rules. For instance there's, and has been for years, a IPO rule saying that you can only have one scorebook."
So "geriatic scabie' or whatever insult you care to think up
YOU ARE STILL FULL OF SHIT
http://leerburg.com/pdf/IPO_EN_2008.pdf
BTW, you shouldn't take Scabie as an insult. It's just a description of you. A small, almost invisible, parasite that tries to get under a humans skin.
Christopher,
Are you the AWMA VP under some kind of hire the mentally handicapped program?
The IPO rules you quote are there will only be one score book issued per dog FOR ANY ORGANIZATION. There is no rule that
you can't belong to more then one organization. The new rule everyone else is talking about (not sure WTF you're talking about) is IPO judges will only sign one score book at any trial starting
1/1/2012.
None of this has anything to do with your claim about AWDF rules
You're STILL FULL OF SHIT Chris
Are you the AWMA VP under some kind of hire the mentally handicapped program?
The IPO rules you quote are there will only be one score book issued per dog FOR ANY ORGANIZATION. There is no rule that
you can't belong to more then one organization. The new rule everyone else is talking about (not sure WTF you're talking about) is IPO judges will only sign one score book at any trial starting
1/1/2012.
None of this has anything to do with your claim about AWDF rules
You're STILL FULL OF SHIT Chris
HAHAHAHA!!!!! It's so much fun to watch someone twist himself into to pretzel to be wrong!!!!
Thanks Uncle Scabie :mrgreen:
Thanks Uncle Scabie :mrgreen:
You must be looking in a mirror Fool.HAHAHAHA!!!!! It's so much fun to watch someone twist himself into to pretzel to be wrong!!!!
Thanks Uncle Scabie :mrgreen:
You just get confused by any post more then 3 lines and
your mind gets confused with
Issuing one score book per dog per organization
and
Judges only signing one score book per trial starting in January.
Just go back over the posts and read real S L O W
You might have to read the posts several times but you'll figure it out eventually ??????
" There is no rule that you can't belong to more then one organization".
That's why you can see the top competitors in both the big USA and WDA trials .
That's why you can see the top competitors in both the big USA and WDA trials .
Bob there is a rule - it's called the JA Ammendment (Johannes Grewe Ammendment ).....
UScA now makes a member sign a card when they renew or join that they will not belong to a competing GSD organization..why they just don't write GSDCA-WDA is bs...but it is a rule. I for one (definitely not a top competitor) will not pay to have my rights taken away....to each their own. You can no longer see top competitors competing in both organizations....they have to choose (only because UScA's rule) between one or the other organization.
Oh and on that renewal card there are a few others rights that you must also waiver....
UScA now makes a member sign a card when they renew or join that they will not belong to a competing GSD organization..why they just don't write GSDCA-WDA is bs...but it is a rule. I for one (definitely not a top competitor) will not pay to have my rights taken away....to each their own. You can no longer see top competitors competing in both organizations....they have to choose (only because UScA's rule) between one or the other organization.
Oh and on that renewal card there are a few others rights that you must also waiver....
Do I like the JA rule no..it hurts the people who wants to just train their dog. The people that at first making a big stink about if you noticed were the big competitors. You see if they didn't do well at the USCA Ch, they could always had the option of entering and making the WDA team.
I see people on every message boards complaining and whining about how USCA have a conflict of interest with the AWDF and people being both elected officials on both boards. Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere, be proactive and join your breed club and run for the open spots when they become available.
The language you agree to when you join USCA are not that different from the language the financial institutions like credit card and cell phone put in their application for rights to arbitration.
I see people on every message boards complaining and whining about how USCA have a conflict of interest with the AWDF and people being both elected officials on both boards. Complaining isn't going to get you anywhere, be proactive and join your breed club and run for the open spots when they become available.
The language you agree to when you join USCA are not that different from the language the financial institutions like credit card and cell phone put in their application for rights to arbitration.
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