I am actually in the market to purchase a 'hidden suit.' Paul, have you, or anyone else tried Ray Allen's hidden suit? I am not sure if Demanet makes one, but I am looking for the best quality and what simulates a 'real bite' to the dog.If you are looking for PP suit work, go buy the Ray Allen hidden suit. You WILL take a short beating but you CAN hide it. It's like taking bites with a hidden sleeve. I have used one and aside from all the other Ray Allen BS, it can serve a purpose.