[Jeff Oehlsen]

Quote:artificial "animation" that is so well liked in competition

There is nothing artificial about the dogs. If it wasn't there, we couldn't get them to do it.

Quote:As very significant by products, dogs trained in this fashion are also VERY self-confident, very focused and VERY agile and surefooted.

Like suddenly my dog is clumsy? Has no self confidence? And trust me, focus is NOT something you are going to achieve with this method. Did you not notice the dogs all looking off in different directions? What picture are you looking at?

Quote:This "way" is directly opposed to the treats and rewards "way", because in the latter the dog works FOR HIMSELF, and in the former the dog works because of the bond between himself and the handler, and thus FOR THE HANDLER.

This is the biggest piece of crap statement since Woody posted last. I hear this all the time from trainers, and quite frankly, I have met these people and watched how hard they work with their dog. That is great, but I don't feel like training 5 hrs a day, when I can bust out some treats and have dogs that respond faster, and everytime. I can also work about 5 hrs a week, as opposed to 35 hrs. All my dogs work FOR ME. BECAUSE i ASKED THEM TO.

You can't be suprised that your getting beat over this. One of the reasons the call off will never be pretty, compulsion/no reward based OB. At that point, who is the dog working for again?????? :lol:

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

Quote:Jeff, if a dog breaks the stay, and you put him back in his place, is he working for you or because of you?

Cute. Until my recent trial, I could of told you to go .... yourself, as the dog hadn't broken the down stay. Now I just get to say stupid things like Cute, or dogs always are working for the pack leader or something really stupid like that.

Also, my dog scooted over and sniffed something, but never left the area. How many non food people can do this without any compulsion like I did??? Raising the dogs in the air doesn't count.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

I should add that I have to save my compulsion for the heel. Stupid dog.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

Quote:Being street smart and having the experience to back it up, can beat any challenger in a street fight – or should that be a Bar fight – Jeff, just kidding.

Bar fights I win hands down. I am something like 1200-0 to this date. :twisted: :twisted:

All my dogs give two shits about all the gunfire you want to put out. In the past I taught dogs to not give a crap about it. Back then you would find my dogs dead asleep on their side laying next to me at busy gunranges.

I didn't have a dog with me when I visited your exotic homeland, or they could of experienced 5.56 and 7.62 on a regular basis. I don't think they would have had anymore the clue why they were there than I did.

If I don't stir up the pot, then the dang threads die. Remember your bungee thread??? :lol:

Besides, if I can't take the free shots you give me at Woody, WTF fun is that? :wink:

Nowadays, I train the dogs to see gunfire like the starters pistol. Works better for mondio. Stupid sport.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

Being that I do sport, not real life, I don't really need to get real carried away with putting dogs in high places, not that I am against it or anything but there is so much to teach the dog that all that takes a backseat to training the exersizes.

I do use distractions, but not really in the teaching phase. That leads to corrections, something I like to avoid, it just isn't as clear to the dog as it needs to be when they barely know what you are asking and you start correcting.

For distractions during the proofing stage, I start small and then get about as carried away as I possibly can. This has worked for me for all my dogs really well, except Buko. He gets so pumped up with "new" situations. This is going to be interesting, as the newness wears off rather quickly, but the problem still remains. I will be doing some e-collar work, hopefully this will fix it.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

Quote: If you heeling by an open sewer with a dog that stresses ove this

This to me is a case of weaker nerves. A dog with strong nerves will jump into the helo no problem first time.

If I have a dog the gets nervous over an open sewer, quite frankly, he is gone. I don't try to fix weaknesses like that. I can get another dog that won't give a crap easily enough. Nor would I feel confidant that the dog would cut it in a real world situation.

As far as the dogs doing things on high, I don't have a problem with it for PP dogs, or just dogs, but Mondio is new to me so I struggle just to teach the exersizes like object guard and escort. These are interesting, and hard, especially with new decoys. I know mine don't want to screw up the dog, mostly because they know they do not have the experience to fix what they screw up. I keep telling them that I can fix it, but this is what you deal with when they are new.