Andres Martin said:
In the first video, Kristen, as soon as the decoy feeds the sleeve, do a carry or hang the dog...immediately. What happened wrong there was that you let the dog take the sleeve to the ground, rebite badly on the ground, and then you pulled him up and started choking him off. Ideally, as soon as the decoy feeds the sleeve, do a carry. Initially, have the decoy run with the dog, holding the sleeve so there is some tension...or have the sleeve attached to a leash. Run the dog, making sure he does not chew. As soon as he starts chewing, hang him up. Regrettably, most decoys are fat, lazy and slow. :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're absolutely right that in the first video, everything sucked. This helper wasn't our usual helper, so he didn't know that we weren't giving Jak the sleeve, and so he slipped it as soon as Jak bit, and I wasn't ready for it because that's not what we've been doing. So, yeah, that was just bad all around. I totally get what you're saying about that performance. :lol:
In the second video, YOU handled well. The decoy gave the sleeve as a reward for a shi++ie rebite. In that situation (bad bite on a sleeve), hang the dog off the sleeve while it's on the decoy. Have the decoy look away, and have your dog's four paws on the ground if necessary. Reward with the sleeve, only the bites YOU WANT TO SEE the dog give!
Yay! I actually did something right! :mrgreen: It's hard, because I'm not actually the one in charge of what's being done. The TD is standing next to me giving instructions to me and the helper, and basically I'm just along for the ride and trying to learn as we go just from listening and observing. I don't know the reasons behind many of the things he does, and he's not that great at explaining them. He's the type that knows what he's doing, and why he's doing it, and that's all that matters. He's not so great at explaining the why's, and I'm sort of timid about asking because I don't want him to get frustrated with me.
Some additional tips: You need to give your dog a bit more space, and place your feet sideways so you have better stability. Don't lean forward, as you will just get pulled along. Stand sideways, bend your knees some, move without stomping behind your dog.
I really try hard to do this
I KNOW what you just told me is what I need to be doing, but I struggle with it. I have for several months - right Jerry?! :lol: It's getting especially harder as Jak gets older and stronger. I usually wear gloves, and I forgot them, so I was struggling with the leash, too.
it almost HURTS for me to see a good dog like yours, loosing intensity due to insufficient frustration buildup, to having someone idly standing by chatting to you about what to do, to having another dog immediately up close. That dog should be pulling you off your feet, Kristen. His intensity for a bite should leave your hands begging for soothing relief. If it's prey you're after, your dog should be chasing the heck out of the decoy.
Kristen...GET THE INTENSITY LEVEL UP...UP...UP!!!!!
With our regular helper, we do a lot of pass-by's, where Jak just
misses the sleeve, and then the helper hides behind the blind and peeks out at Jak to get him to bark, and when he barks a few good barks, the helper comes back out and either does another pass-by or gives him a bite. That helper is more 'in tune' to what Jak is doing, and works him better, IMO. Jak barks a lot more when I first take him out of the crate and as we are heading over to the blind.
We've always worked Jak with at least one other dog nearby; even when he was on the pole. Not quite sure why.
attaching a leash to the sleeve and having the decoy run with the dog helps alot, especially with chewing or dogs who don't naturally carry their prey.
Our regular helper suggested this a few sessions ago, but the TD still said no, we'll just keep choking him off. NO idea why.
Do you think not doing any bitework for a few weeks would benefit him?
The good news is that he didn't growl on the sleeve this weekend. The past two weekends he was growly on the sleeve, and I think it's because of playing with Gypsy with toys, so when they're together, I put all the toys up and that seems to have fixed the problem of him growling on the sleeve, at least for now.