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At a seminar, would you rather...

  • Pay more so there's less people and more quality time

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  • Pay less so there's less cost but more people

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  • Doesn't matter

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Seminars

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Looking for some thought about seminars...
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I prefer trainers/coaches that genuinely give a shit about helping me and my dog succeed and teaching and showing me how to be a better dog trainer. No more seminars for me.
The greedy ones I might audit and and maybe I'll pick something up that I can use.
I prefer trainers/coaches that genuinely give a shit about helping me and my dog succeed and teaching and showing me how to be a better dog trainer. No more seminars for me.
The greedy ones I might audit and and maybe I'll pick something up that I can use.
No more seminars for me when I can buy a DVD I can watch again and again. If the seminar giver doesn't have a DVD I might go to audit. Paying $250/day to have anyone "work" your dog for 10 minutes is IN Fukin Sane :-(
Another down side to the seminars is nubees believing everything they see as gospel simply because some big name is giving it. Maybe worth trying if it makes sense but remember that it doesn't mean it's the best way for you and your dog.
In the early 80s (AKC OB) I must have seen a gazillion of them and you could tell exactly what they were "teaching" by half the people in training the next month or so doing what they saw at the seminar.
They can be worth going to but keep an open mind. Listen to each every one then decide what works for you and your dog.
I still enjoy them now and then.
Another down side to the seminars is nubees believing everything they see as gospel simply because some big name is giving it.
I "like" the seminar givers and video makers who tell you what to do with your dog, BUT that isn't the way they actually work their dog. The "Do as I say NOT as I do" school of training ? That's why I really like the Michael Ellis DVD's he show lots of regular dogs and regular handlers not World Champions and carefully edited segments
I "like" the seminar givers and video makers who tell you what to do with your dog, BUT that isn't the way they actually work their dog. The "Do as I say NOT as I do" school of training ? That's why I really like the Michael Ellis DVD's he show lots of regular dogs and regular handlers not World Champions and carefully edited segments
An Ellis seminar is definitely on my bucket list. His explinations of how and why are light years ahead of everyone else.
Where are you at with what you are doing now ? That is a big question to answer.

If you are having someone in for a seminar, what is it you want to learn from this person ?

It is all fine and dandy to get some basic help with your dog in OB and bite work, but what about going over a program of training so that you and your club can see the bigger picture ?

If you are not getting to where you want to go, and are very serious about training, not just liking the IDEA of training, then these are things that you need to answer. There are more, but that is a start.

Then you just pick someone. lol



I'm not a seminar fan but attended one which I would call a seminar by a German chap who lectured on what a dog is and how he kept his dogs. His name is Walter Kreipp (German). It was very interesting.

Nowadays, the word "Seminar", over here in Europe is more or less considered a weekend or day training.

I went to Fritz Biehler, Elmar Mannes and Ronny van den Berghe "seminars". I found all three extremely interesting (about 15 handlers and dogs at each plus handlers without dogs).

Thomas Lapp, Bart Bellon, Michaela Knoche and partner, etc., etc. all give good "seminars" I hear but Elmar Mannes, Walter Kreipp and Fritz Biehler and Ronny van den Berge were all engaged by Rottweiler and GSD clubs and were limited in number. Each handler and dog was competently worked and solutions given.
I like to host seminars and I like to attend them. I think that going to different people (whether working your dog or auditing) where you can learn different training techniques that might work better for the individual dog and handler is a great thing.

I like to host seminars to network and plus I like the hosting part of it.

My goal is to bring instructors in that create a draw for others as well. It is hard to afford to bring someone in, no matter what they cost, if you don't have a good draw.

Of course I want to keep my seminars to the lowest cost that I can for people. But I also like to keep attendants (working dogs) to the lowest numbers that I can so that everyone gets quality time training their dog and there is not a lot of downtime or conversation in between each dog (other than the debriefing on your training session).

I have a seminar in the works for the middle of Spring (will post firm details later) that it should be a good time. Waiting to hear back on dates that will work for the instructor as well as the decoys.
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At the French Ringsport (Rick Rutt / Jimmy Vanhoeve) seminar I attended this last year, I was a little skeptical of the cost initially but considered it "Fair Enough" (if memory serves me correctly, it was $200 for 2 days??) to be worth going (& I'm pretty stingy with paying for training ;) ).. However, because of the excellent content, time spent & patience of the speakers, I came away feeling like *I* got a deal. The time spent with the attendees as *Amazing*! I can't imagine anyone would complain about not getting enough training time for their dog(s).
I took my Bouvier Ness to work on esquieves, but also had to drag along my young male Boerboel Neb for the trip. Even though I had no intention of taking up "seminar time" with Neb, as IMO his foundation wasn't far enough along to monkey with a bunch of new stuff, I was asked multiple times if I wanted to work him. So while I didn't, the concern of the trainers to make sure everyone was satisfied really made an impression on me.
IMO they didn't have too many folks there, but even if there's a higher number of participants at a seminar, as long as enough time is made for everyone, it's more beneficial to try to keep the cost down to get folks there in the first place. I wouldn't hesitate to attend another seminar by these guys, even if they jacked the price up a bit because you will really get your money's worth!
I can say I've enjoyed the same experience & would likewise recommend Michael Ellis & Shane Carter, especially if you are working Bully or Molosser dogs. :smile:
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whether you audit or participate have someone video tape the entire thing
i have learned much more gong back over the video, that i missed or just forgot, or get to see something i thought i got from a different angle.
whether you audit or participate have someone video tape the entire thing
i have learned much more gong back over the video, that i missed or just forgot, or get to see something i thought i got from a different angle.
I *totally* agree with that! I'd take a pass on a seminar where you aren't allowed to have someone video your own dog(s).
The good thing about taking courses on anything not just dogs, is you learn from other people. In many cases its even better that private lessons. Someone else may ask a good question you just didn’t think of at the time. Or you get to learn by other peoples mistakes. The DVDs can be helpful to reinforce what you learned. Some courses can really throw a bunch of stuff at you in a short period and its nice to have a dvd that went with the training
Thanks for the feedback guys.

I'm planning on trying to host a seminar this spring if everything goes well and was looking for some thoughts on things.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I'm planning on trying to host a seminar this spring if everything goes well and was looking for some thoughts on things.
What's the subject matter? :)
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