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That is great! Definitely a timely reminder for me, as it is sooo easy to resort to bribery sometimes. We are just staring to use the 'flat' command outdoors now and I was definitely on the brink of falling into the bribery trap.
 

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There are many good articles on motivational training and on training the working dog. I feel that in the early stages of obedience training, food along with verbal praise works best. Diced hotdogs or commercial chicken based foods are easy to use. I had my Bouviers doing a fast down/platz with food. For footstep tracking, food is a must. Bait? Bribes? Lures? Erh...

We all work for a paycheck...no money, no work. Do we really think that our dogs are different? The biggest gains come from pack leaders not handlers who beat the life out of their dog and then call it training. Right! When you have a solid bond with your dog, it will do anything to please the owner.

My Border Collies are rewarded with the chance to herd sheep. That is the motivator for them. The Bouviers are motivated with the chance to bite the decoy. I use lots of verbal praise and the dog's name. Rock, platz...good platz. A full body stroke from head to tail "wipes" away any stress that the dog may have from doing the unknown. We do this often in the PPD training. It also stes the dog up for the big BANG on the bite suit.

Yep, I reward and MY reward is the fun of watching my dogs do their thing.
 
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I struggled for weeks to get a straight front (which I trained wrong and reinforced for over a year). I tried avoiding using a lure to correct this problem, and hoped he'd work through it a little more spontaneously. I certainly didn't want to correct him into the proper place. Then I spent some time rearranging MY body to accomodate the position. That didn't pan out.

But anywho...

Luring got him on track in a couple days.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v15/keinhaar/?action=view&current=Picture003-2.flv
 

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I struggled for weeks to get a straight front (which I trained wrong and reinforced for over a year). I tried avoiding using a lure to correct this problem, and hoped he'd work through it a little more spontaneously. I certainly didn't want to correct him into the proper place.

But anywho...

Luring got him on track in a couple days.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v15/keinhaar/?action=view&current=Picture003-2.flv
Me too. I have used luring more than once to get a position.
 

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Absolutely nohing wrong with luring. The biggest mistake in teaching with food/toy reward is not knowing how to wean off of it. Even then, there is never a time in a dogs life that I don't continue random food/toy reward. OR as Howard commented, rewarding for whatever the dog holds valuable. Bite, praise, food, toy.
My older GSD finds great pleasure in just getting an "OK" release and a bit of rough housing.
Each dog has something of value to them. It's our job to be connected enough to figure out what it is.
 

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Absolutely nohing wrong with luring. The biggest mistake in teaching with food/toy reward is not knowing how to wean off of it. Even then, there is never a time in a dogs life that I don't continue random food/toy reward. OR as Howard commented, rewarding for whatever the dog holds valuable. Bite, praise, food, toy.
My older GSD finds great pleasure in just getting an "OK" release and a bit of rough housing.
Each dog has something of value to them. It's our job to be connected enough to figure out what it is.

You bet, that's our job! I do exactly the same.
 

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From my early days I've been convinced; when you control the reward, you control behavior. The trick or key of course, if find that reward. As a trainer, I lure, bribe, reward and heck I've even been known to beg.

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From my early days I've been convinced; when you control the reward, you control behavior. The trick or key of course, if find that reward. As a trainer, I lure, bribe, reward and heck I've even been known to beg.

DFrost
Insert the word husband for trainer an I suspect many of us could fall into that catigory.:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
 

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Ummm, Jerry.....David mentioned 4 things he did. Did you forget one "accidentally"? :grin: :grin: :grin: :wink:
 

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is there a reason why david B's "good-by" letter isn't included in this thread? i find it weird that there isn't a post to skip over here.... (called, ummm, too much "desensitization training"??).

or maybe, a bitch being able to discern a "real" threat from a "fake" one?? i'm just really confused here.....
 

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I think he only posted his farewell speach on links he posted on.
 
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