Not me, but I know a guy who lives in Tucson. He went to Kentucky to work with Ivan and learn all about his training styles. It was like three years ago because I remember he talked about it before I went to England. I've seen him around with his five different dogs!ITA very good article, has anyone on here ever trained or been to a seminar with Ivan?
I disagree with the fact that in sport one is trying to develop a "refinement", far from it - what the dog brings with it, one doesn't have to refine.One of the best articles I've seen was an older article by Dominic Donovan on training protection dogs. Essentially, he said training a dog for sport is contraindicated for training a dog in personal protection. By training for sport, you are trying to develop a refinement of style in the bitework before the dog is mature, and the dog ends up seeing the helper as someone to play a game with and the prey object/equipment becomes the target of the dog's bite, not the man. As protection obedience is added with the maturity of the dog, the neccessary corrections teach the sport dog that people (those providing corrections) are stronger than him. He emphasizes you need the correct genetics for a ppd, and start with mature, untrained dogs starting in defense in a dimly lit situation so as to maximize suspicion in the dog. The agitator has no equipment, approaches the dog slowly and avoids eye contact. When the agitator is about three feet from the dog, he whips out a section of garden hose, strikes the dog hard and runs back to his hiding place. This process is repeated for several sessions without the dog geting a bite. Around the 6th-7th session, give the dog a bite on the sleeve. If the dog bites strong and hard, no more bites for a few sessions then move onto muzzle work and distractions.
I have never trained a dog this way, but believe that doing so with a dog with the correct genetics, would be very effective. The other issue is that most people don't really need a personal protection dog, and other approaches make for more fun in the training. Once you piss a strong dog off and he learns is it acceptable for him to fight the aggressor, that is all that is really needed in a ppd.