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But is it? This actually limits the pet from moving off of bedding. That's pretty intense. What if you just (like a lot of people are going to do) plop an average dog on that thing and just walk away? Just seems kind of aggressive to me. And definitely not a "crate."
 

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same principaple (sp?), the fence is a bigger area and can only be used after training to..not my kind of thing though..think a crate is more animal-friendly, but there are a lot of people not agreeing with me on that point (in Holland)...they think a crate is cruel too..
 

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Woody Taylor said:
But is it? This actually limits the pet from moving off of bedding. That's pretty intense. What if you just (like a lot of people are going to do) plop an average dog on that thing and just walk away? Just seems kind of aggressive to me. And definitely not a "crate."
No safety for the dog (no barriers), no den-like feel, AND no freedom of movement....... yikes.

I had no idea that people thought crates were cruel (escept long ago in this country----- not other countries). Kennels, too?
 

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Lots of people still think crates are cruel in the US too, its just very widely accepted so the whines n cries from people who don't know anything about crates are drowned out by the people who use crates.

I don't like anything that punishes my dog from going somewhere. I know people who use e-collars to keep their dogs away from big screen TV's n out of certain areas of the house.... I want my dog to be able to go ANYWHERE in the house, I don't want to instill fear or caution into my dog by creating invisible lines in the dirt that he can't cross one minute, but is OK the next minute.
 

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Except for house training, and the chewing stage, I've never been a fan of crates. Seems to me it's nothing more than a method of getting the dog out from under someones feet. As far as it being their "den", dens don't have doors that lock. I know a lot of people use them, travel etc is not the same. WE lock ours in a large container in the back of the car when working. When I see crated dogs, I think "show dogs" waiting to be primped and pranced.

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Except for house training, and the chewing stage, I've never been a fan of crates. Seems to me it's nothing more than a method of getting the dog out from under someones feet. As far as it being their "den", dens don't have doors that lock. I know a lot of people use them, travel etc is not the same. WE lock ours in a large container in the back of the car when working. When I see crated dogs, I think "show dogs" waiting to be primped and pranced.

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Do you keep your dogs in the house?

I guess that notion--keeping the dog out from under feet--works pretty well for my household. My dog doesn't seem to mind it, keeps her and the kids separate, allows her to shut off...which she definitely would not do without the crate. I think that and the fact that she crates in line of sight have been good things.
 

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They do work great for house-training and the chewing stage.

For adult dogs, I still have one that the dog goes in on his own occasionally. My daughter's earth dogs still have them (again, not closed any more -- they're adults) and one of them sleeps in hers almost every night, of her own choice.
 

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Yes, my working dog lives in the house. He can tend to be a velcro dog, but he will go lay down when told. He doesn't chew, get in the garbage, cunter surf, crash through the screen door. All of that is because of training. He doesn't need a crate. He does have his favorite place to sleep, but it's his choice. Except for the furniture, I'm old fashioned in that respect, he doesn't get on it.

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David, i didn't trust my female till she was 2-2.5 yrs old and my younger male till he was about 2,( and i took my time proofing it by leaving for short periods) My older new dog stays in the crate if i'm not home, probably will for a long time, throw a few more gsd's in your house uncrated and go out and enjoy the day and come home 4-5 hours later, whatta ya think? :lol: :lol: :lol: , i would be a basket case if all three were out and no one was home, oh yeah forgot, mangled kitty's, lol. It's the only way i can own 3 at once, and their obedience is good. JMO,

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David, i didn't trust my female till she was 2-2.5 yrs old and my younger male till he was about 2,( and i took my time proofing it by leaving for short periods) My older new dog stays in the crate if i'm not home, probably will for a long time, throw a few more gsd's in your house uncrated and go out and enjoy the day and come home 4-5 hours later, whatta ya think? :lol: :lol: :lol: , i would be a basket case if all three were out and no one was home, oh yeah forgot, mangled kitty's, lol. It's the only way i can own 3 at once, and their obedience is good. JMO,

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I crate trained my puppy and my adult rescued female is in the process now. My beagle PREFERS a crate (door open) and if her crate is not set up she holes herself up in my son's room instead. I use crates much as parents use playpens: a safe place for a puppy if I can't 100% supervise. Achilles hasn't used a crate outside of training since he was 12 months old. Andi has pica, is not fully house trained, has an issue with stealing food, and has accidentally broken quite a few glasses. I demand that she have 100% supervision; and if I can't provide that, she goes into her crate. It is far safer, IMO, than allowing her to get into dangerous situations. I do have other dogs nad three children to look after...I also used a crate as quarantine for her the first 2 weeks I brought her home (and put that in a closed room that neither of hte other dogs were allowed into).

As for the mat: WTH? Ridiculous, and I can absoultey see how it coudl cause issues with a dog. That's just lazy...try steaching the stay command.
 
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