[Elly Elsenaar]

And yes I like to read about it! Thanks for your help

 

[Connie Sutherland]

And yes I like to read about it! Thanks for your help

http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/bladderstones.htm

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?articleid=400

http://dogs.about.com/cs/disableddogs/p/bladder_stones.htm

http://www.petcaretips.net/bladder_stones_dogs.html

in order of usefulness, IMO.

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

Today it was the day, I brought him in this morning at 8 and I picked him up at one o'clock this afternoon.

Everything went well, he is a little bit dizzy at the moment but he is ok he allready eat something, the removed the stones in the bladder, and there were many!

So hopefully he recover soon, and having no pain anymore.

 

[Connie Sutherland]

Today it was the day, I brought him in this morning at 8 and I picked him up at one o'clock this afternoon.

Everything went well, he is a little bit dizzy at the moment but he is ok he allready eat something, the removed the stones in the bladder, and there were many!

So hopefully he recover soon, and having no pain anymore.

What a relief! Please keep us posted.

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

Here is Yordi 10 days after!! Willing to work again!

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

Glad to see he's doing better!!

 

[Connie Sutherland]

He looks GREAT!

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

Today I've got the results of the research of the stones, they send it to University of Minnesota ot Veterinaire medicine

The stones were for 80% calciumoxalaat, he don't need no special dieet. only food with less calcium, so I think I will give him the meat you can buy it here specially for dogs with vitamins etc in it they call it meat/rumen?( here they call it pens) complete, and maybe some diner with it, I have to find out, the vet says he must drink a lot, so his urine may not become sour. no vit.C. because it can coming back.


So we will find out in the future, may be someone have some suggestions?

 

[Connie Sutherland]

Today I've got the results of the research of the stones, they send it to University of Minnesota ot Veterinaire medicine

The stones were for 80% calciumoxalaat, he don't need no special dieet. only food with less calcium, so I think I will give him the meat you can buy it here specially for dogs with vitamins etc in it they call it meat/rumen?( here they call it pens) complete, and maybe some diner with it, I have to find out, the vet says he must drink a lot, so his urine may not become sour. no vit.C. because it can coming back.


So we will find out in the future, may be someone have some suggestions?

I have a bunch of saved stuff about this (and the related diet
modifications), and I'll look it up tonight. What exactly were the
calcium recommendations?

 

[Hil Harrison]

Glad to hear hes doing ok now Elly

 

[Connie Sutherland]

Today I've got the results of the research of the stones, they send it to University of Minnesota ot Veterinaire medicine

The stones were for 80% calciumoxalaat, he don't need no special dieet. only food with less calcium, so I think I will give him the meat you can buy it here specially for dogs with vitamins etc in it they call it meat/rumen?( here they call it pens) complete, and maybe some diner with it, I have to find out, the vet says he must drink a lot, so his urine may not become sour. no vit.C. because it can coming back. .... So we will find out in the future, may be someone have some suggestions?

Elly,

The emphasis on drinking a lot is because the urine can be
diluted that way. That doesn't address the reason for the oxalate
surplus in the urine (which can be genetic; there are several
causes), but it addresses a way to keep the crystals from
clumping so easily.

One way to increase the fluid intake is to pour water over the
food so the water gets flavored by the food and is appealing to
the dog. Another way (similar) is to flavor the dog's drinking
water by poaching or boiling some kind of plain meat in water,
then refrigerating that water for refilling the bowl. If you make
a lot, it can also be frozen for later.

Also, dry food (kibble) isn't so good, because raw or canned has
much more water in it.

That's some of the general stuff I got from the sites I looked up.

Oh -- and yes, about the stones coming back. Apparently,
dogs who form stones once are very likely to keep doing so.
But it can be slowed down, now that you know about it, and
checked for every few months.

I'm glad this was successful and that he is having relief from
that pain. :>)

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

Thank you, I will give him the meat now, The food he normaly gets is pro plan salmon, and to be honest I am very satisfied about the pro plan, All our dogs get it, combinated with the meat. But I think for Yor I have to water it, I even thought about to give him diner, because you have to put water in before you can eat it, but the pro plan has no diner. So I have to look careful what to give him, because I don't want a repeat of this.

You ask for the test results,

Dalcium Oxalate Monohydrate Nidus: 10% Stone: 100% Shell:20%
Calcim Oxalate Dihydrate Shell: 80%
Silica: 90%

I don't get it in the right direction here Silcica 90% stand under Nidus 10% and the 80 and the 20% are as well!

Is this what you ment?

Hi, Hil welcome back, nice to see you here again, and thanks

 

[Connie Sutherland]

Actually, I meant what exactly were you advised about
the "low calcium," or "food with less calcium."

What calcium amount?

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

The letter who was written to the vet, says that there is nothing much to do on it at the moment.

They said we can give Hill Prescription diet Canine u/d, but they said there is high percentage of vet in it , and some dog get some stomach/bowels problems. And when it is a heavy dog, they order to uses Prescription diet u/d Canine w/d and add some kaliumcitraat in the beginning 50-105 mg/kg of his body weight, distribute it over the meals.
That is needed to get an urine PH of 7.0-7.5

This a suggestion given by Hills, I don't know of there are other food manufactors who has similair food.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Connie Sutherland]

The letter who was written to the vet, says that there is nothing much to do on it at the moment.

They said we can give Hill Prescription diet Canine u/d, but they said there is high percentage of vet in it , and some dog get some stomach/bowels problems. And when it is a heavy dog, they order to uses Prescription diet u/d Canine w/d and add some kaliumcitraat in the beginning 50-105 mg/kg of his body weight, distribute it over the meals.
That is needed to get an urine PH of 7.0-7.5

This a suggestion given by Hills, I don't know of there are other food manufactors who has similair food.

Thanks for your help!

So then what food are you using? The vet didn't actually
prescribe Hills, I am gathering (and hoping)?

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

No I don't use Hills, and the vet didn't recommanded it either, but for me that is the big question now, I uses pro plan till now but I am not so sure to keep it that way, I think I will give him the complete meat in dutch its called vlees pens compleet. but I really don't know what food is good for him at the moment, if I do nothing it probably will come back. The vet told me that there is not much to do on it, only to keep his food wet and let him drink a lot.

I think I have to compare different type of foods and see what is best for him.

At the moment he has a big overripe spot on his neck, he played to rough with the other one, it is just as big as a tennisbal, it have to be over in the next 2 weeks. He feels himself very good at the moment and think he had the same age as the little one from 11 months, they are really close to eachother, and it is diffecult to keep them separate from eachother!

 

[Connie Sutherland]

Oh, good ..... good food, wet, and extra water.

I'm very glad that's what the vet said, as opposed to
the Hill's.

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

She gives me the results, and there was a letter in it from Hills, and she didnt even mentioned the letter, or the Hill's she said there was nothing much to do about it, and don't need that special diet she says.

There is so much choice for dog foods, so it won't be easy to pick the right one! it will keep me busy for the next days probably!

 

[Connie Sutherland]

QUOTE: there was a letter in it from Hills, and she didnt even mentioned the letter, or the Hill's END

Here's a quote from
http://b-naturals.com/Dec2002.php

QUOTE: General Prevention and Maintenance
Once a diagnosis has been obtained from your veterinarian
and treatment has been implemented, it is important to adhere

to these tips:
Keep fresh water available for the dog at all times, and
encourage consumption of water. Keeping the kidneys
and bladders flushed is of paramount importance to help
prevent crystals and stone formation. Water consumption is
very, very important!

Try and feed moist diets, such as fresh food diets, broths,
canned diets and extra water added to foods served.

Do not keep the dog confined, but allow access for urination
at all times or as frequently as possible. Holding the urine
causes concentrations that encourage crystal and stone
formation.

Distilled water may be helpful in averting some cases of
stone and crystal formation and check your own water supply
for minerals if possible, especially if you have hard water in your
area. END QUOTE

Everything I've read so far boils down to: It is likely to recur,
so regular vet visits; slow the recurrence by feeding moist
(fresh, if possible) food, and plenty of water; encourage frequent
urination, both from lots of fluid and from very frequent access
to outdoors.

This is just what I've read, and of course I'm not a health
professional.

 

[Elly Elsenaar]

May be your not a health professional, but you are really a big help =D>