Yep! The bada$$ on the street is still going to whip the gym "expert" if the heart isn't in it.Tim Martens said:pretty funny. goes to show you that the hours and hours that those guys spend practicing with those sticks is pretty much useless as it degrades to wild swings pretty quickly and the guy who's more aggressive and more willing to take the first blow being the victor...
Tim Martens said:pretty funny. goes to show you that the hours and hours that those guys spend practicing with those sticks is pretty much useless as it degrades to wild swings pretty quickly and the guy who's more aggressive and more willing to take the first blow being the victor...
gimme a guy with a year of jiu jitsu against the guy with two years of that stick training any day of the week...Andy Andrews said:Not really. The idea of training is to integrate the weapons with empty hand so that one can transition seamlessly from range to range, with confidence rather than fear.
Someone can always be better than you at any particular range(or all), but as the fights show, the man who is able to control the pace of the fight and take it to the range he is most fluent in will usually be the victor.
i didn't know they train wiht the machados. i guess i don't see the premise here. do the "dog brothers" run a camp or are they just the brothers that fight? so the machados go to this stick fighting training center and train students in JJ?Andy Andrews said:Tim,
Seeing as how the Dog brothers train with the Machados, I'm fairly certain most of their students/followers are more than competent on the ground...as the videos show.
My personal background is jiu-jitsu and I'd go with the weapon any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
But Bob! Part of their credo puts the lie to THAT! :lol:Bob Scott said:Having done Tae Kwon Do and kick boxing in my youth, I really enjoy the MMA but beating on one another with weapons and little if no protective gear tells me these guys have been hit in the head to often.
Kinda like a Dumb and Dumber thing! :lol: :lol:
http://dogbrothers.com/wrapper.php?file=faq.htmTim Martens said:......do the "dog brothers" run a camp or are they just the brothers that fight? so the machados go to this stick fighting training center and train students in JJ?.....
andy, i made an edit on my post. for some reason it didn't show up. anyway, what i said was that i watched the first video you posted again. there were some punches in the guard, a nice takedown, a guy elbowing from side control so it is pretty obvious they have some ground skills. i'll recant that statement.Andy Andrews said:The Dog brothers are closely associated with the Inosanto academy, as are the Machados. Everyone in that circle trains with everyone so they can get better. The Machados have felt the pain of the fang themselves, and they've helped the stick guys develop their clinch/ground games too.
Not everyone who goes to the gatherings is a pro or full time fighter. Most are everyday guys who just want to test themselves against resistance in an open evironment.
And what's with the crack on their competency? There is as much technique demonstrated in the videos as there is in the UFC/Pride. Things aren't as clean/pretty in a fight as they are on a grappling mat. When people are hitting you, especially with sticks, things change drastically. However, there were a few beautiful takedowns in the videos, as well as strong positional control and a few nice armbars.
To each their own I guess.