Male vs. Female - What is your opinion on these statements?

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Mike Schoonbrood

Discussion Starter · Apr 23, 2006

Male vs. Female - What is your opinion on these statements? And would you say these statements could be true for a GSD but untrue for a different breed such as a Mal or Dutchie? Or are these universal truths? Or is this bullshit?

1. Females are a little easier to live with as a house dog

2. Females never (or very very seldom) get dominant

3. Females want to please their handlers more than males

4. Males are tougher, it is extremely rare to find a female who can do serious work or police quality work

5. If you want to compete at the top level of sport buy a male, very very few females can cut it at this level

6. As a general rule, males are harder than females and can take a harder correction

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Jeff Oehlsen

· #2 · Apr 23, 2006

7. Never make generalizations. :lol: :lol:

Mike Schoonbrood

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 23, 2006

Jeff Oehlsen said:
7. Never make generalizations. :lol: :lol:

I pulled that stuff off this page:

http://www.leerburg.com/pupqa.htm#female

I was just curious whether there was any merit to this, because alot of people have told me they love working females, but those statements would lead you to believe that a female is worthless as more than a puppy vessel lol. I've also been told the phrase "dominant female" many times by various dutchie breeders over the last 6 months. My pup is supposed to be a dominant bitch as she grows up, but the page above would suggest that it's unlikely that she'd be dominant. Or would those statements only apply to the lines bred at this kennel rather than a generalization for the entire breed or all dogs in general?

Bob Scott

· #4 · Apr 23, 2006

I would make that generalization with MOST breeds, but there are lines out there that have extreamly dominate bitches. Will's Fetz and Van Camp's Emma are litter mates. They are BOTH dominant monsters that would eat the 'AVERAGE" dog owner for lunch!

Jerry Lyda

· #5 · Apr 23, 2006

I like Jeff's #7 but this IMO
#1- ?
#2- False
#3-False
#4-True
#5-True
#6-True

#7- very true

Tim Martens

· #6 · Apr 23, 2006

Mike Schoonbrood said:
Male vs. Female - What is your opinion on these statements? And would you say these statements could be true for a GSD but untrue for a different breed such as a Mal or Dutchie? Or are these universal truths? Or is this bullshit?

1. Females are a little easier to live with as a house dog

2. Females never (or very very seldom) get dominant

3. Females want to please their handlers more than males

4. Males are tougher, it is extremely rare to find a female who can do serious work or police quality work

5. If you want to compete at the top level of sport buy a male, very very few females can cut it at this level

6. As a general rule, males are harder than females and can take a harder correction

i'll preface this with the following: i have never owned a female dog, so my comments are based on other people's stories and from the females i've seen work...

1. wouldn't know

2. i would say that's pretty much false. while true those problems are usually associated with males, i wouldn't say that it only occurs "seldom" or "never"

3. untrue

4. generally true

5. generally true

6. generally true

the only two i have a major problem with are 2 and 3. 4-6 are a pretty accurate generalization. again, being a generalization, there are many exceptions to the rule. i have seen females every bit as hard as any male.

and do we have to hear about how unbelievable some leerburg moderator's dog is over here? :lol:

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Connie Sutherland

· #7 · Apr 23, 2006

Re: Male vs. Female - What is your opinion on these statemen

Tim Martens said:
......and do we have to hear about how unbelievable some leerburg moderator's dog is over here? :lol:

I know that was just a funny, so I'm just popping in to remind us all that we do not bash any other boards. 8)

Tim Martens

· #8 · Apr 23, 2006

Re: Male vs. Female - What is your opinion on these statemen

Connie Sutherland said:
we do not bash any other boards. 8)

then it's a good thing i didn't bash another board isn't it? :roll:

Connie Sutherland

· #9 · Apr 23, 2006

Re: Male vs. Female - What is your opinion on these statemen

Tim Martens said:
Connie Sutherland said:

we do not bash any other boards. 8)

Click to expand...

then it's a good thing i didn't bash another board isn't it? :roll:

LOL! OK, you got me. Yes, you didn't need the reminder! 8)

Greg Long

· #10 · Apr 23, 2006

I would rather have a great female than a great male.They do seem to be hard to find.

Can anyone direct me to a forum where I can bash other boards.I have a lot of bashing pent up inside me. :wink:

Greg

Tim Martens

· #11 · Apr 23, 2006

Greg Long said:
I would rather have a great female than a great male.They do seem to be hard to find.

that's the problem greg. EVERYONE would rather have a great female. not because they would work the dog, but in hopes that she would pass her DNA on to her pups. most of the time, they work till they get the lowest title they can (SchH 1, PH1, PSA 1, Brevet, etc.) and then they are turned into puppy plants....

Connie Sutherland

· #12 · Apr 23, 2006

Greg Long said:
.....Can anyone direct me to a forum where I can bash other boards.I have a lot of bashing pent up inside me. :wink:...Greg

Type a big mean message bashing everyone you want to bash, then click "preview" so you can read it and see what it would look like.......then don't click "submit."

Kinda like in email (Outlook or Entourage) when I fire up a big fat nasty-gram and then put it in my "drafts" file, and look at it every now and then, and smile a nasty little smile......... :twisted:

It's not perfect, but it helps!

Jeff Oehlsen

· #13 · Apr 23, 2006

Screw it, I just write it.

I see females as a bonus program. If they have good genetics, they are used in a breeding program, and if they are really good workers, they get used in a breeding program. Either way, they make puppies, unless you don't want puppies, so why did you get a female?????

Jose Alberto Reanto

· #14 · Apr 23, 2006

As the saying goes, "Don't mess around with a bitch". :lol:

I generally like strong females, more focused on the work, easier to handle, less testy, explosive on defense work. I guess them being puppy vessels and carries much influence on the pups make them genetically stronger.

Just a question, weren't the most elite canines of Nazi Germany females? Why, even Hitler had one.

Just my preference....

Mike Russell

· #15 · Apr 23, 2006

1. bullshit
2. bullshit
3. sometimes
4. sometimes
5. bullshit (males are often used because there is no off time for heats and a female's true worth to a breeding program is in the whelping box)
6. bullshit
7. true

About great females being hard to find...
For sale? Yes! Who wants to part with a great bitch that can help further a breeding program. It's always easier to "rent a male" (via stud service) than to try to lease a good producing bitch.

Mike Russell

· #16 · Apr 23, 2006

Jeff Oehlsen said:
Screw it, I just write it.

AMEN BROTHER! :twisted:

Jose Alberto Reanto said:
As the saying goes, "Don't mess around with a bitch".

They don't call em bitches for nothing. :wink:

Mike Schoonbrood

Discussion Starter · #17 · Apr 23, 2006

I don't know how my pup compares to other pups, but she's an aggressive psycho at less than 13 weeks n throws tantrums worse than my craziest ex.... if her bitework on the field is as good as her bitework on my legs then I think she'll be alotta fun. The only problem I have with breeding is that I'd wanna keep all the pups... lol. But I'd like to breed her one day if she proved her worth and I were in a situation where that'd be a good idea :lol:

As for why I got a female... I have a male that hates other males, but loves females. I played the odds and got the sex that is most likely to work long-term. Maybe I'll get another male one day, but not before I have the escape plan of being able to seperate the dogs... seperating them 100% of the time would be very difficult for me right now, so I went with a female

Greg Long

· #18 · Apr 23, 2006

I dont think there are any good bitches anymore.....oh you are talking dogs.My mistake :lol:

I really love to work bitches in protection work.They are less distracted and can do everything a male can do.

Greg

G

· #19 · Apr 23, 2006

You guys are cracking me up. Greg, I'm so glad I taught you humor. I was actually laughing out loud, by myself, reading your posts. Connie, great idea. I thought I was the only one who did that trick. People think I'm bad now-they should see what I DON'T submit :twisted: .

I wasn't going to be the one to say what Al said, but I'm glad he did. Hitler himself had females. While he may have been a "bubble off," he didn't do anything w/out reason. Not saying that females now are of the same caliber, but if not, I think it's lack of testing and work that have caused this.

I think part of the male-oriented mindset is intentional in a way. It was generally perceived for whatever reason, and it's continued to the point where females are nothing more than easy-bake ovens for pups. People underestimate the impact a female can have on pups, as if she's unimportant...folks, she's half of the DNA in that pup... :roll: I am not a breeder, but I wouldn't even bother breeding a really kick-ass male to a half-ass female, as many seem to do. I think a lot of them are perceived unfairly as being less capable than their male counterparts, when it's really greed that's stunting their potential. People think they have a decent female on their hands, so they want to make money immediately, and get greedy. They don't work her to her fullest and see how far she could go; they stop when they've seen enough to justify breeding her to a good male. Just look at the title (not that they're everything at all) differences in general between them. Are they not capable of more than IPO1, or has no one bothered to find out?

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Patrick Murray

· #20 · Apr 23, 2006

Jenni Williams said:
I wasn't going to be the one to say what Al said, but I'm glad he did. Hitler himself had females. While he may have been a "bubble off," he didn't do anything w/out reason.

Yea, but they might not have been good reasons. :wink:

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