then Andres Martin said...I have to admit, I have seen some half assed performances from a PD impress the crap out of people.
I went and trained with a buddy of mine, there were a few K9 guys there. So I had invited some people from the club so we could train somewhere different. I guess they were under the same impression as the general public. OOOPS!
I have heard that they cannot train the dog unless they are being paid for it, and are also allotted so much time each month. I imagine some asswipe badge hunter cried about having to actually train his dog, and cried that he wasn't being paid for it and ruined everything for real K9 guys. I would just train anyway. I would rather be fired than dead.
then Konnie Hein said...The best of the best stay in competition, are at stud, cost too much money for a police dept, or all of the above. Police departments in the US, mostly get left-overs.
K9 handlers don't always have the "calling" for the job.
Someone recently told me that K9 officers and dogs should be under the supervision of the most elite squad in a department, and not part of the rank and file, as the rank and file are often "conformists" and lax.
I think we're way off topic here, but we're dealing with this right now on one of my USAR teams. We have 3 PSD handlers on the team who are also trying to cross-train for USAR. Nice guys, all of them (no rib shots needed Very Happy ). However, they can't leave the state with their dogs for training or testing, they can't train unless they're getting paid, they can't train USAR for more than a specific number of hours per month, they can't train in the rain (dogs might get hurt), etc. etc. etc. Basically they're getting screwed and we're all beginning to wonder why they're on the team. These types of rules also apply to any other training they do. Its really sad and I feel bad for them because I know they could be very productive if allowed to do so. Makes you wonder what the state is thinking. Being strictly a volunteer, the huge ball of red tape is new to me.
On the other hand, they get an overtime paycheck for their time spent at our training. That sure would be a nice perk!
Brutal, ain't it? It's because I trust you all so much.Andres Martin said:Woody...
You clearly have missed your true calling.
I'm sure Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, the A.H. from Iran, or one of their kind, could put your agitation skills to good use.
And cows.Woody Taylor said:Brutal, ain't it? It's because I trust you all so much.Andres Martin said:Woody...
You clearly have missed your true calling.
I'm sure Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, the A.H. from Iran, or one of their kind, could put your agitation skills to good use.
Hopefully starting decoy training in a few weeks, send up those hounds.
Heh.Jeff Oehlsen said:Computer nerds catching dogs. I need video of this. My impression is one of your not being able to walk and chew gum. Try not to hurt any of the dogs, as this is what clumsy does in an actual training session, as opposed to what you are used to, here in cyber space.
Cool. Sounds like I'm with the right club. They said just kind of run around on the field and act suspicious but loud. Business casual...khakis and a polo shirt...right?Andres Martin said:hahahaha!
Hey. I hope you get initiated into decoying properly. With a HARD biter, that bites and re bites, preferrably in the calf area. Make sure you don´t move. Stay still while the dog is doing this.
Whatever you do...DO NOT start your training with a sleeve. Sleeves are for pussies. Not dogs.
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David:David Frost said:<<<<However, they can't leave the state with their dogs for training or testing, they can't train unless they're getting paid,>>>
I have an idea, why don't you borrow equipment from your employer and take it out of state. Of course the employer is still liable if something happens, but then we know, no one really likes law suits so I'm sure it would be ok. As far as training without being paid, I refer you to the Federal Labor Standards Act. Not only could the department be held liable for payment but for punitive damages as well.
As for volunteering, police officers, like any other citizen can buy a dog to be trained in search and rescue, train it, deploy with it, on his own time, and work all he wants. While many departments do require you obtain approval, I've never heard of an officer being turned down as a volunteer in these aspects. Many are volunteer firement, EMT's etc.
So many conclusions based on, what I percieve, very little fact.
DFrost
I was not referring to training, but to dogs. Yet even if you mean dogs...I'm specifically referring to the best of the best in dog sports.On the training aspect, "The best of the best stay in competition, are at stud, cost too much money for a police dept, or all of the above. Police departments in the US, mostly get left-overs."
Utter nonsense and shows a complete lack of understanding of police canine units or how they procure dogs.
If you can get rounds to practice with on your own, then you can or cannot train the dog on your own? Also, does it go in the training log?
Thanks for your input. It is very helpful to get your perspective. However, the state and our team admin wants these PSDs to deploy with our USAR team to find live human beings buried in the rubble (with one or two days a month of training and no evaluation/certification for live-find USAR). I think the other uses you described would be perfect for these guys. Perhaps I can suggest that to our team administration.David Frost said:1. They are probably going to be deployed to prevent looting, protect property and immediate rescue. Troopers, at least in my and the surrounding states are among the first responders to a disaster. Believe me, we've had several this spring already. Our first priority is rescue the living, second; protect property, third; recover the dead.
2. The PSD's are going to be used in that capacity (protect property). Not SAR. We have a cadaver dog, that is used in the recovery phase.
3. My statement relative law enforcement officers and SAR was about volunteering to assist with SAR. There are some that do. The problem is, if there is a disaster, they may well be placed on duty status and not able to respond as a volunteer.
4. Being more familiar with disaster scenes than I care to think about, I'm well aware of the politics and pissing matches. It's not all that uncommon among police agencies, when it's a multi department event.
Since there is no real recognized certification for SAR, other than FEMA, that also presents another problem. I refer you to the thread on SAR and some of the comments made there.
Training time is always the issue, regardless of where you work. But it's not just the amount of time available, it's what's done with the time that is available. But now we are talking standards, and measuring performance to those standards.
DFrost
