I think it's important to understand bloodlines and study individual dogs equally. It does come down to the individual dog but I do think there are some generalizations that could be made in terms of what to expect if you're new.
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Thats true. For me, a bloodline is important but I also like to see the dogs that produced the litter in terms of the traits they are expressing... If they are true to the bloodline or not.
We can be linebreeding all we want on X,Y,Z dog, but if the offspring isnt expressing the traits of the ancestor you're not building prepotency...
Regards
We can be linebreeding all we want on X,Y,Z dog, but if the offspring isnt expressing the traits of the ancestor you're not building prepotency...
Regards
^ definately , the dogs first of all must be good producers, thats why i prefer buying a pup out of repeat matings. pedigree for me is important because in a puppy i cant test for certain things. for example i can test for prey drive and nerves but i cant test if the dog is going to be more social or civil, be dominant, defense drive, serious, have handler aggression. and ofcourse not all pups are going to be equal but certain lines are known for producing a larger percentage of a type of dog. As a person who prefers purchasing a pup at 8 weeks, pedigree is one of the key factors for me in choosing my pup, it helps me make an educated guess
Just out of curiousity, how many puppies have you bought in your life? How many dogs have you raised? How many have you trained?^ definately , the dogs first of all must be good producers, thats why i prefer buying a pup out of repeat matings. pedigree for me is important because in a puppy i cant test for certain things. for example i can test for prey drive and nerves but i cant test if the dog is going to be more social or civil, be dominant, defense drive, serious, have handler aggression. and ofcourse not all pups are going to be equal but certain lines are known for producing a larger percentage of a type of dog. As a person who prefers purchasing a pup at 8 weeks, pedigree is one of the key factors for me in choosing my pup, it helps me make an educated guess
i lived in an apartment up untill 2 years ago mike, so i purchased dogs with my ex girlfriend at the time ( she had a house) and because i new they would be pets i never went for the dogs i really wanted as they usually cost about 3500 dollars for the ones i wanted (thats australia for you)
my first dog was an australian cattle dog, i purchased him from a farmer who i was watching herding his sheep who happend to have a litter at the time, very nice dog, high drive, solid nerves, best dog i have owned so far. i trained him in obedience, and to show aggression when someone approached the door or property, but couldnt do much more then that.
second dog was a working line doberman, good drive, but the dog was scared of his own shadow.......
those two dogs are with my ex girlfriend
my current dog is a german shepherd, who umm looked OK as a pup but had a tooth ripped out when teething when someone was playing tug with him and now he only bites soft objects. but his drive was never that good , but because i had just moved into a house and i could finally purchase my own dog , i rushed into it. in hindsight i would have been more patient. i am planning on pushing him a bit in defence though, as he does have strong nerves.
and currently im waiting for a knpv female puppy, hopefully high drive and i wont ruin it. i sent you a email with the pedigree before
my first dog was an australian cattle dog, i purchased him from a farmer who i was watching herding his sheep who happend to have a litter at the time, very nice dog, high drive, solid nerves, best dog i have owned so far. i trained him in obedience, and to show aggression when someone approached the door or property, but couldnt do much more then that.
second dog was a working line doberman, good drive, but the dog was scared of his own shadow.......
those two dogs are with my ex girlfriend
my current dog is a german shepherd, who umm looked OK as a pup but had a tooth ripped out when teething when someone was playing tug with him and now he only bites soft objects. but his drive was never that good , but because i had just moved into a house and i could finally purchase my own dog , i rushed into it. in hindsight i would have been more patient. i am planning on pushing him a bit in defence though, as he does have strong nerves.
and currently im waiting for a knpv female puppy, hopefully high drive and i wont ruin it. i sent you a email with the pedigree before
Like I said, I think both are equally important. I've been told that breeding to the worst dog out of the best litter is better than breeding to the best dog out of the worst litter. I will always stay true to that philosophy as well, but a pedigree is going to give me some idea of what is likely to come out of a breeding, but more importantly, it gives me information on the health of the dog.
Michael, if your dog doesn't want to bite anything other than soft objects because he had a tooth ripped out as a puppy I would not be putting any defense work on him. JMO.
Michael, if your dog doesn't want to bite anything other than soft objects because he had a tooth ripped out as a puppy I would not be putting any defense work on him. JMO.
Just out of curiousity, how many puppies have you bought in your life? How many dogs have you raised? How many have you trained?
Not quite a direct quote, but.....
"I've never trained anything but some simple pet obedience...
I have no one with any real experience to teach me.....
My current dog is low drive and soft, but I'm going to push him in defence.....
I REALLY like the craziest, fire-breathing monster KNPV dogs....."
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Michael,
I mean this in the nicest way. While you can learn a lot on here and there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on here, do what others here have told you. Go train dogs. Go join your local IPO club, hang out, offer to help the decoy or the training director. I know you don't like sleeve sucker IPO dogs, but you'll learn more there than you ever will here. And if you offer to put on a sleeve, you'll be surprised how many people will bring out their retired dogs for you to learn off of.
Right now you might know a whole lot of BRN numbers to throw around, think you know all about Czech vs. WG lines, whatever. But the truth is you have zero experience with dogs like this.
For your own benefit, and the benefit of any future dog, go get some real dog experience. Cause if you get the dog you say you want, I think you're in for a serious SHOCK! And a good chance (hate to say it) that the pup ends up in a rescue/given away/PTS whatever. Sorry dude.
"I've never trained anything but some simple pet obedience...
I have no one with any real experience to teach me.....
My current dog is low drive and soft, but I'm going to push him in defence.....
I REALLY like the craziest, fire-breathing monster KNPV dogs....."
](*,)](*,)
Michael,
I mean this in the nicest way. While you can learn a lot on here and there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on here, do what others here have told you. Go train dogs. Go join your local IPO club, hang out, offer to help the decoy or the training director. I know you don't like sleeve sucker IPO dogs, but you'll learn more there than you ever will here. And if you offer to put on a sleeve, you'll be surprised how many people will bring out their retired dogs for you to learn off of.
Right now you might know a whole lot of BRN numbers to throw around, think you know all about Czech vs. WG lines, whatever. But the truth is you have zero experience with dogs like this.
For your own benefit, and the benefit of any future dog, go get some real dog experience. Cause if you get the dog you say you want, I think you're in for a serious SHOCK! And a good chance (hate to say it) that the pup ends up in a rescue/given away/PTS whatever. Sorry dude.
i just got bitten by my dog
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Michael,you have to trust your breeder who has bred many litters like the dogs you are purchasing to have them give you an idea of the outcome and be from top line dogs and then find a good pup out of a litter who isnt shy or scared of its shadow and raise it right.I wouldnt be blaming puppy tug work on weather your dog bites well or not.Im familiar with the lines of your dog and that breeding was a mixed bag of dogs with a couple of strong types and some not so strong it happens if he doesnt fit your bill place him in a nice home and move on.
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