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Ok, I'll try to answer all these questions.

Kristen's question,Which is better; stomping or rubbing your feet?
It doesn't matter. What you are doing is making a scent pad. You disturb the ground so that it smells different than the surrounding area. I don't like a whole lot of scuffing with a more experienced dog. A little scuffing with a young dog is ok. I like to stomp it in.

Connie asked, How many is a few? A few days of squares?
Yes, only a few days. Then start to make the area smaller.

Mike said,The way my trainer is teaching me tracking with 100% beginner dogs is basically "you can use a flag if you want but its not important", he doesn't use the flag at all, we only used one because a club member had one with them n offered to use it....
Mike I always start with a flag right off the bat. Try to make it as simple as possible. If the dog sees a flag everytime he want worry about a flag being there at a later date. And to the dog will learn when he comes up to the track he knows it starts right here with no questions asked from him. This is where it has always been.

Kristen asked,I hope this isn't an extremely dumb question, but does the flag need to be any particular color? The reason I ask is because I use white flags to mark the boundary of the yard, and I don't want to confuse him.
What I use is an arrow with colored ribbon tied to it. Don't use white for the very reasons you said. Anyone else could use white. I like the arrow because anyone else in our club knows that that is my track. I tape a short piece of cloths hannger wire to the bottom so it pushes into the groung easy. ( Georgia red clay)

Kristen again,Also, exactly where does the flag go; at the first footstep??
The flag goes to the left of the scent pad. The dog will associate it with the start of the track.
Kristen said, It rained today, which helped me to see the edges of the square.
The flag will always let you know TOO where the track is.

Mike asked,Can someone please explain this "Squares" thing to me? Either it's more advanced than the first steps we are doing with my dogs, or it's a different technique... just curious!
Different technique. Some people use a triangle with the point pointing towards the track.

When I start a new dog I go to the area I want to lay the track. I take the dog with me and have someone hold him about six feet from the flag. I make my scent pad and make sure he is watching me. I will turn to him and toss him a piece of hot dog. That's what I use. I'll take a step out of the scent pad and place treat at the toe of that foot. I take another step and place treat at the toe of that step and on and on.I'll go about ten steps and place a small pile of hot dogs. This is his reward for following the track.At the beginning I stay beside the dog to block him from wondering off the track. When he's off I say ( find it in what ever language your are using) or point to the next hot dog and say the command. NO CORRECTIONS. Keep it on a nice even kill. Don't upset him let him work.
After he has finished the small reward pile of hot dogs I play ball with him. He needs to enjoy tracking. You are just directing the dogs natural ability and it must be fun for him.
 

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Hi I just wanted to reiterate what Jerry said about letting the dog watch you lay the track. That's really important with pups/young dogs. Mike, you may want to do as I am doing with Arkane. When he is on the track, I keep him between my legs & also track with two lines on the collar then run one under each front leg. These two things give me extra control, prevents turning back. At the end of the track, I pull out the ball from my pocket instead of putting it at the end of the track because he is hard enough to control without seeing the ball ahead of him! Mine is loving tracking so far, & at this point I think it is very important for tracking to be a positive experience every time with pups/young dogs.

I am doing big sweeping serpentines. I did throw in an actual turn the other day, which Arkane had no problem with, but I have gone back to serpentines, because as Jerry said, (I think it was Jerry) it's a big mistake to rush things (which I have to constantly tell myself not to do). :roll:
 

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Have you tried "Rollover" or "Natural Balance Rolls"? If not, give it a try. It comes in sausage like chubbs. You don't have to refrigerate it it, & it is a lot dryer than hot dogs. I just slice it & cube it into little tiny bits, throw it into a baggie & use it instead of hot dogs. I used it with Zorba & didn't have a problem with regular ants. I don't know about fire ants, except for a National Geographic documentary I saw & they scared the crap out of me!
 

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Jerry Lyda said:
Down here in Georgia the fire ants are terrible. It's hard to track with hot dogs. Fire ants likes them almost as much as they like bitting me. Does anyone know of a treat home made or not that fire ants don't do back flips for?
Freeze-dried liver? I buy it, but I know people who make it, too. I'm guessing that the bought kind might be less appealing to ants, since it has minimal odor and no moisture.
 

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Connie Sutherland said:
Jerry Lyda said:
Down here in Georgia the fire ants are terrible. It's hard to track with hot dogs. Fire ants likes them almost as much as they like bitting me. Does anyone know of a treat home made or not that fire ants don't do back flips for?
Freeze-dried liver? I buy it, but I know people who make it, too. I'm guessing that the bought kind might be less appealing to ants, since it has minimal odor and no moisture.
Or would it be too low-odor to use for tracking.....?
 

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The dog has to like it as well as hot dogs. The oder is the crushed vegetation or disturbed dirt that leads to a reward. It's hard to beat a good old hot dog.
I'll try the Freeze-dried liver, Rollover,and the Natural Balance Rolls. Out of these Lexus is sure to like one of them.

This is Lexus
 

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Excellent posts Jerry. The only thing I differ (not disagree) is the scent pad. I have no problem with working just scent pads on occasion. Maybe not necessary. Maybe I'm to lazy to lay a full track :oops: :lol: but I haven't seen any problems with the dog quitting on them. I always take the dog away before it finds all the food. That always seems to build frustration to continue.
 

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Jerry Lyda said:
The dog has to like it as well as hot dogs. The oder is the crushed vegetation or disturbed dirt that leads to a reward. It's hard to beat a good old hot dog.
I'll try the Freeze-dried liver, Rollover,and the Natural Balance Rolls. Out of these Lexus is sure to like one of them.

This is Lexus
Lexus wants a bigger picture posted! :D

My dogs looooove freeze-dried liver.
 

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Do you guys think sometimes it's a balancing act in which the most important thing is the ability to read your dog? I do. It's really hard to explain in words. You have to be able to read the young dogs' body language, eyes, etc., so you can don't take them to the point of wanting to quit, but not so "up" they go over the edge & lose their little minds! That is for me, the fun & challenge of tracking. It's so cool when you see the "lightbulb" go on in their eyes when they "get" it.
 

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I was talking in general. I never just use a scent pad. I work my dogs from the pad to a track. The tracks are short but never just a scent pad. I was thinking in the lines as if you work the pad and then stop and play, wouldn't you think that the dog would think that's all he has to do to play. I can just see in my minds eye a dog that would quit at the pad and want to play. That, I would think would be confussing to the dog. I think, you take him to the scent pad and let him pick up the treats and move forward and he finds more. This is what you want the dog to do later so why not teach him that up front?
 

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Susan wrote, Do you guys think sometimes it's a balancing act in which the most important thing is the ability to read your dog? I do. It's really hard to explain in words. You have to be able to read the young dogs' body language, eyes, etc.,

I do agree with what you say except the eyes part. They are located on the other end of the dog that I'm looking at during a track :lol:
But yes you do have to read your dog. That's why I don't do just scent pads. He muct go on from there to get his reward at the end. Very short tracks. I may have him do two or three short tracks per session. I'll be building him up between each one when he's watching me lay it with someone holding him.
 

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Yes, I guess it is impossible to look at the eyes when tracking!

Also, once again, I want to thank Bob for saving my back by telling me about using a piece of pvc pipe to drop food onto the footsteps. Not only does it save my back, but I sure can lay a track much faster using this method.
 

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Understood!
My thoughts are that I don't move off of a scent pad until I see the dog really understand the concept of the disturbed ground. When I see the dog turn away from the edges, then I start laying the tracks away from the box.
Also, when I pull them off of the box, they get crated.
 
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