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Well, 50 years ago, the standard poodle was a top hunting dog. Not many of them left. There is a standard poodle in our Schutzhund club, but she only does obedience and tracking. Doesn't really show much interest in the tugs for protection.
 

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Poodles were hunting dogs (waterfowl) even before firearms. They "dogged" ducks into traps even before they were retrievers and pointers.

Pudelhund means something like "splasher-dog."

Countries in Europe use them as sniffer dogs for drugs and other contraband on trains and ships.

I think they have spent most of their history as working dogs, until pretty recently.
 

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The image of the Standard Poodle is nothing what the real dog is. I think a well bred, sound one is a dog that could do pretty much what you want it to. JMHO!
 

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Bob Scott said:
The image of the Standard Poodle is nothing what the real dog is. I think a well bred, sound one is a dog that could do pretty much what you want it to. JMHO!
LOL! We posted simultaneously.

Very true that the image is far from the real dog. :D
 

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Well...I was going to say incarnation of Satan...but hey, you're just a nicer person than me. :)
 

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I have to say I have known a number of well bred very nice toy poodles. They are not the breed for me, but they have provided a lot of love & joy for others. I have known a lot of nice standards & minis too. Of course with the toys, there is a rather nasty house training issue for some reason. Tiny brains or too much territory?
 

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I've trained them all - toy, miniature, and standard poodles. The toys are difficult to train in general - sensitive, nervous - and teeny tiny dogs are always (in my experience with two of my own chihuahua) very difficult to reliably housebreak. Miniature poodles are wonderful to train - excellent obedience dogs, training is a piece of cake - I almost don't want to take their money to do it. VERY smart little dogs and very athletic. But no, I wouldnt' call them working dogs, except if you want to do agility or akc obedience with them. Standards on the other hand - I've known a few that I could definately see working - as someone said - I'll bet if they had enough drive, they could do pretty much anything. Including Schutzhund, police, detection, very competitive obedience, SAR - anything. They have much stronger temperaments than people might realize, behind their "fru fru" exterior.

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I aagree with you Molly. What do you think the reason is that the toy breeds are difficult to housebreak? I wonder if it is because as puppies, new owners don't confine them to a small enough area, and therefore, the territory is so large for them they don't think they are soiling their area. Maybe that combined with the fact that their bladders are so tiny they really can't "hold it" very long?
 

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Does anyone have any housetraining tips for toy breed pups I can pass on to a gal who has two 12 wk old cavalier/pug mix puppies? They are crated at night & don't soil the crate. During the day, they are confined to the kitchen & pee & poop all over it. I suggested she confine them to a smaller area during the day, & also wahtch them more closeley & when they show signs of having to go, to put them on the paper, then praise them when they eliminate. She doens't think this will work, so I thought maybe someone on this board may have better ideas I can pass on.

Her goal is to have them use a litter box in the house rather than training them to go outside.

Thanks,
Sue
 

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susan tuck said:
Does anyone have any housetraining tips for toy breed pups I can pass on to a gal who has two 12 wk old cavalier/pug mix puppies? They are crated at night & don't soil the crate. During the day, they are confined to the kitchen & pee & poop all over it. I suggested she confine them to a smaller area during the day, & also wahtch them more closeley & when they show signs of having to go, to put them on the paper, then praise them when they eliminate. She doens't think this will work, so I thought maybe someone on this board may have better ideas I can pass on.

Her goal is to have them use a litter box in the house rather than training them to go outside.

Thanks,
Sue
If anyone does (and I don't :lol: , because I think it's a bad plan to train dogs to go indoors), can you PM Susan?

No offense at all to a valued forum member, Susan, but maybe toy dogs' potty challenges should be addressed in the Lounge, if they must be addressed at all on a working dog forum. :wink:
 

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Molly, I also agree. Like I said, we've got a two or so year old black standard in our Schutzhund club. She LOVES to track and her obedience is nice. I think she's trying for her BH next trial. Not sure if she'll make it further than that as she's not very drive-y for the tugs to start out protection. Not sure if she started tug work too late or what.
 

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After reading those post from that form I really think some of those folks don't get it. It doesn't matter how much ability a dog has. If it doesn't have a good double coat, it ain't gonna make a good sled dog.
 
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