[Kristen Cabe]

At training Saturday, I was kicking the sleeve out from under Jak after he'd let go of it, and he went for it again and got my leg just above my knee. No punctures, but man is there a nasty looking bruise there now! He basically just 'pinched' my leg with his front teeth, and there was a surface scratch that's about gone now, I guess from his right canine, but no blood or anything. Glad I was wearing jeans, though! I haven't gotten a good picture because the flash reflects off my ghostly white legs, but I'll try again this evening sans flash and see if I can get a picture that shows the bruise. :lol:

 

[Alicia Mertz]

Yeah, the first time they let Jaeger have the sleeve, I reached down to take it from him and boy, the trainer flipped out. :lol: He was so afraid that I'd get bitten. I guess this is why... :roll:

Sorry Jak got you! I'm sure you know he didn't mean it. Not that it makes it hurt any less... :lol:

 

[Kristen Cabe]

It doesn't hurt unless something bumps up against it or hubby hits it being mean. :lol: It is starting to turn that nasty yellow color though. Jak has never bitten me when I've taken things out of his mouth, and he wasn't trying to bite me Saturday - my leg just happened to be in the way when he went to grab the sleeve after being choked off it!

 

[Alicia Mertz]

Sorry if I made it sound as though Jak was trying to bite you! Didn't mean it that way at all. I just meant when they're so focused on the sleeve, sometimes they don't notice (or can't react quickly enough) to the arm/leg in the way! :lol:

Jaeger has never bitten me when I've taken something from him either, nor do I think he would. So I understand completely.

 

[Greg Long]

Sorry, but I dont see this as a good thing.Your dog should never bite you.They are very capable of not biting you even when moving at lightning speed.
I dont train that way anymore.Heck I hardly ever use a sleeve.

If you are training for Schut I understand why you want to train like that but for serious work its counterproductive IMO.

Not trying to argue but I had to say something.

Greg

 

[Kristen Cabe]

Oh I know what you meant, Alicia. :wink:

Greg, I honestly don't know what to say to your post.

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

Welcome to the club...I always have a (or several) big bruise somewhere :roll: jumping through the women, catching my fingers instead of the ball or biteroll...

 

[Kristen Cabe]

Here are the lovely pictures. Click to enlarge:

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

Our decoy has those bruises everytime(3 times a week) he does decoywork (upperarm front & rear, lower leg)...the joy of a leather and jute suit (KNPV suit)...

 

[Andres Martin]

Kristen...

I think that what Greg is saying is that Prey development makes a dog bite "movement", plus it makes a dog want to "possess" the prey item...it does not teach a dog to discriminate and control its own drive. I agree with Greg. Your dog is a youngster, and from the videos you've posted, I think he's pretty forward. If you keep on with prey development AND your dog does not learn to be careful with YOU, out of complete respect and submission to you, you may encounter some challenges when he matures that will be difficult to correct.

Anyways...

What did you do when your dog bit you?

BTW...you need a tan. Come to El Salvador.

 

[Kristen Cabe]

I used to tan, but I'd rather be white than get cancer, so I'll just be white. LoL I can always use the tan in a bottle, but I don't like waiting for it to dry so I just don't use it. I don't wear shorts much anyway because I have fat legs. :lol:


I understand what you're saying about prey development and respect, etc. but I am sure it was just an accident. I know some will say that dogs do not 'accidentally' bite anything; if they bite you they meant to bite you, and if they didn't, they weren't really trying to. I agree with that to an extent, but I don't think it applied to this situation. I had just choked him off the sleeve, still had him up in the air, went to kick the sleeve towards the helper, who was advancing towards us to get the sleeve, and Jak was reacting to the helper approaching, I think, and was trying to 'guard' the sleeve from being taken. We do that sometimes once the sleeve has been kicked out; I'll hold him so he can just barely not reach the sleeve, and the helper will advance as if he's going to take the sleeve, and when Jak barks at him, he will retreat.

I can take anything I want away from Jak, with not so much as a growl out of him. He lets me have it. I'm not really worried about this incident, but I will keep an eye on him for other warning signs.

What did I do? Absolutely nothing; I didn't even realized it'd happened for a couple of seconds, and then I noticed my knee hurt a little and figured out what had happened. By then it was too late; he was already barking at the helper again.

 

[Jerry Lyda]

Kristen, don't worry about that little bite. You should worry if he don't bite. He was just caught up in the game. You're leg eas in the wrong place at the wrong time. If there's one amoung us, handlers or trainers that haven't been bit then we're doing something wrong. If you play with fire you WILL get burnt. If you mess with the bitting dog sport you WILL get bit. It's all part of the game.
If this happens when the game is not being played, that's a different.

Do you remember seeing my male Bentley? He brusies and even has brought blood though the sleeve. Heaven help me if this happens when I'm handling him. He has niped me on the side when he thought he had waited long enough before I sent him for the blind search. Frustration, and after the second time He don't get frustrated any more. That DID stop. Jak was after movement and he was in prey. Go gett'em Jak. I still think he's a very nice dog.

 

[Tim Martens]

Kristen, don't worry about that little bite. You should worry if he don't bite. He was just caught up in the game. You're leg eas in the wrong place at the wrong time. If there's one amoung us, handlers or trainers that haven't been bit then we're doing something wrong. If you play with fire you WILL get burnt. If you mess with the bitting dog sport you WILL get bit. It's all part of the game.
If this happens when the game is not being played, that's a different.

Do you remember seeing my male Bentley? He brusies and even has brought blood though the sleeve. Heaven help me if this happens when I'm handling him. He has niped me on the side when he thought he had waited long enough before I sent him for the blind search. Frustration, and after the second time He don't get frustrated any more. That DID stop. Jak was after movement and he was in prey. Go gett'em Jak. I still think he's a very nice dog.

thank god some common sense. i was about to eat my mouse reading all that crap about this being a big problem. he was trying to bite the sleeve and missed. no different than biting a hand holding a ball or a finger attached to a treat. this has NOTHING to do with a lack or respect or dominance. geez....

 

[Robert Blok]

Kristen...

BTW...you need a tan. Come to El Salvador.

Kirsten, one training session with us and you have a great suntan 8) 8)

I have been bitten by my dogs as well, kicking the sleeve away and in the heat of things just a quick nip. It only happened twice (see Jerry's comments) and they never did it since. It too was in their early stages of bite work. Bear now shows excellent control.
NO WORRY GIRL!!! DA BITE IS PART OF DA GAME 8) Both are learning...

Rob

 

[Greg Long]

When I do bite training nowadays it is no game.There are no balls or treats for them to snap at.I dont do any prey building as most of you guys dh I used to.Ive been bitten just like that before.
All I was saying is that from a different point of view , its not good at all.I understand WHY you are doing it and I have done the same excercises in the past.All I am saying is that I dont agree.Im not saying you should or shouldnt do it, for your own goals may require it.All I want is for people to know that not everyone believes that is the right way to do bitework.If Im wrong then Im sure someone will point that out to me... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Greg

 

[Tim Martens]

When I do bite training nowadays it is no game.There are no balls or treats for them to snap at.I dont do any prey building as most of you guys dh I used to.Ive been bitten just like that before.
All I was saying is that from a different point of view , its not good at all.I understand WHY you are doing it and I have done the same excercises in the past.All I am saying is that I dont agree.Im not saying you should or shouldnt do it, for your own goals may require it.All I want is for people to know that not everyone believes that is the right way to do bitework.If Im wrong then Im sure someone will point that out to me... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Greg

perhaps i overstated my opinion. i would never say you are "wrong". i don't know how you do your thing. it may work great and probably does. just keep in mind that there are still people doing things "the old fashioined way" and they are getting good results.

i didn't mean to say that treats or balls have their place in bite training. i was just equating a dog biting a hand when targeting a ball to the dog biting kristen's leg while targeting the sleeve. they are the same behavior and neither is aggressive or dominant toward the handler...

i have been bitten by my current dog many times. it used to occur when there was a decoy in front of us (with equipment, without equipment didn't matter). when the decoy engaged the dog (sometimes movement, sometimes just eye contact), the dog would break his down and i would have to correct him back into it. he would get so worked up into a frenzy and occasionally he would turn around and nip my arm or hand. that was frustration. we worked on that and he hasn't done it in quite some time. kristen you too will work on injecting control into the dog, but for now, i think you are doing the right thing by just keeping him interested. you can inject the control later. even then there are no guarantees that this won't happen again. i just wouldn't go overboard correcting him when it happens for now...

 

[Greg Long]

Ahhh..but I am referring to the old fashioned way.

Yes it is dominance and lack of respect toward the handler.Either that or the dog is so nuts it doesnt know what it is doing.You dont have to build prey drive in order to have a hard hitting dog but maybe you do for a full grip.
Either way all that thrashing around and barking after an inanimate object is just a waste of energy to me.

 

[Tim Martens]

Yes it is dominance and lack of respect toward the handler..

:roll:

 

[jay lyda]

Its just a frustation thing. No one knows your dog like you do. If you know that Jak doesn't have handler aggression then I wouldn't give it a second thought. He just got caught up in the moment and out of frustration gave you a nip. You'll know if it ever turns to aggression and then you have to open the gate to hell and correct it at once. But I really don't believe it'll come to that. I've gotten bit by my female GSD but a totally different circumstance. We were out in public and a man came up with another GSD off leash. So immediately I gave the platz command and told the guy that he needs to keep his dog back. But being an idiot he said that his dog was fine. So what happend, his dog came right up to her and then cut around me and she went for him. I got caught in the middle. As she went, I went straight up with the leash and hollard platz and she hit the ground. But after she got me between the legs. If it was any closer I wouldn't have to worry about having any more kids! Her correction was for breaking the down even though she felt there was a threat. I could have gave that guy a few corrections, especially since he still did not leash his dog. I know for a fact that her biting me was not intentional so I didn't give it a second thought. Its not that she is so much dog aggresive but she will engage whether it be a dog or person causing a threat. Thats what she is suppose to do, keeping my wife and kids safe, and me. Sorry for straying off the subject a bit.

 

[jay lyda]

Oops! Sorry for the double post.