[Jerry Lyda]

On another board there is a dog GSD that is 14 months old. His bloodline has a lot of this issue. The owners can't get him to out and he grawls at them for trying to take any object that he has. What would you do to correct this problem or do you think it is a problem? Thanks and this should be a good topic.

 

[Jerry Lyda]

Thanks Greg, That's what I am thinking too. The firm fair correction should have been done long ago and maybe this would not be an issue now. This dog is really bad. Worse than my first post indicated. He is now 14 months old and I think is owned by a lady who does schutzhund. Now is the time to put him on his back and make him think heaven has opened up and he's fixing to go through the pearly gates. I had said this on the other forum and some people thought that was the most poorly given advise they had heard. They were afriad it would make him worse. Well it may. If he is allowed to keep doing it then it can really get nasty. They were also afraid the owner would get hurt. Well that too may happen. Some said to take him on long walks to show him who the alfa is. How is this correcting that problem? I believe that one good hard correction beats a hundred litttle don't do that ,please. Give me a brake.
I'd really like to hear from more of you about what you would do. I think too that if this person that ownes this dog don't get it fixed they need to find him a home where he will be taught to respect his owner before he hurts some one.

 

[Jerry Lyda]

Sorry Connie I just don't understand the long walk thing. Help me understand.
Thanks.

 

[Jerry Lyda]

OK the walk makes more sence to me( showing how's boss). Thanks

I didn't mean that you said don't do that please thing, that was someone else that mentioned that.

I believe the person that owns him isn't strong enough to handle this type dog and I have no idea who this person is. There has to be away to get this type behavior fixed quick. Maybe there isn't and maybe I'm wishing there is but this dog can and will hurt someone. If this is the only issue with this dog maybe then it could be fixed quick but I agree with Greg(I think it was Greg)there maybe more to it than that. I know I know there's a lot of if's and maybe's in what I've said but we don't really know everything that's going on here.

Thanks Connie, I really mean that
Jerry

 

[Jerry Lyda]

Bob THAT may very well be the whole issue here( weak Owner) and I don't mean phyisically. Like I had said before, this should have been corrected long ago, but it wasn't now we are here.

 

[Jerry Lyda]

Connie, I think it's both dominant-aggressive and possessive aggression.
I copied the orginal post and here it is. Now maybe we can make more sence out of this behavior with all you guys help.

I have been having some dominance issues with my 14month old Crok grandson.
He isn't that bad yet, but i can see it starting to escalate so i want to nip it
now while hes still young and before it get really bad. It seems like he will
fight me just to fight me. He knows out, and outside his crate he will usually
out fairly well with out much choking off or anything else, but sometimes it
seems like he decides he doesn't want to let go and wont let go for nothing.
Ive tried choking him off when he gets like this and he will let his tongue go
blue and gasp for air but still wont let go, if i try to pinch his gums/ears/etc
hell start this screaming (assuming from the pain of being pinched) but will
just clamp down harder, I have tried to use other toys/balls (even the exact
same type- same ball with the same rope) and tried to use food etc. Everything
i have tried that have been suggested to me for outting works SOMETIMES but when
he gets in his mood it seems no
motivation, no correction no nothing is worth letting go. Also if he happens
to jump in his crate to fast and i dont get the toy/ball from him, he kind of
puts his head down and gives me this look like he's saying "just try to take it,
ill hurt you" Now needless to say, i am not scared of him, and reach in there
and take the ball/toy (well try too ;-)) He is also being more defiant in other
aspects like OB and general house manners/OB. He is also starting to jump on my
3.5yr old male for no reason (my other male is far from being an Alpha, but hes
not the Omega either, he seems to just not care about the pack order) which in
return will cause a fight. OK so my question is, WHAT do i do to correct this
behavior, before he gets older and more mature and becomes worse. I have had
people suggest getting physical with him to show my dominance, but i do not
think this will work because even as a puppy i have gotten pretty physical with
him ( issues dealing with the cats in
the house because he is a house dog) and it doesnt even phase him. TIA

 

[Jerry Lyda]

I agree with you ladies that the problem starts with the owner. Now she has a problem, right? This could have been corrected long ago.

Now back to the situation of this dog. Hindsight is 20/20 now what can be done to fix it before this dog hurts someone? Well the first thing is to find it a new owner, right. But this women has the dog so let's go with what we have.

Lou, everything you said was right on. Please don't think I'm being disrespectful or argumentive, I'm not trying to be. In your post you talked about a submissive dog vs. the alfa dog. This is not the problem we're having here. This is a 14 month old that clearly is not submissive. He doesn't respect the alfa ( human ) and is trying to take over and have things his way, dominant. If he did this to an alfa dog the alfa wouldn't put his paw on him and wait for him to lay down and become submissive. The alfa would not do a thing but kick his Butt. He would win or loose. Him being 14 months old is not to old for him to be put in his place, fairly of course. If they wait much longer they could loose this dog. This dog is not mature as of now and now is the time to use a good old fashion compulsion correction, fairly of course. What I mean by that is just enough so that he understands the pecking order. If it's on his back then so be it, what ever it takes. When this dog matures heaven help anyone that tries to deal with him.

Ok I'll sit back and get my butt handed to me but this is how I feel about this dog.

 

[Jerry Lyda]

I agree Connie, this lady can't, if so this problem wouldn't be. Maybe the thing for a person like this with a dog like this is to sell, or whatever, to someone that can correct this behavior. What will happen next if this keeps going on will not be good for anyone and not good for the dog / breed.
I'm through now and thanks to everyone and thanks for lending your knowledge. ( I still want to hear more though.) :lol:

 

[Jerry Lyda]

No opposition here. You are right. The dogs that have tried to kill or are dogs that are just mean as hell, IMO not a lot of help for this dog. There is help but who wants to take this risk of REALLY getting hurt. There is an old saying," If you are going to be stupid you better be tough."