Here's the rescue girl Andi!

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Stacia Porter

Discussion Starter · May 2, 2006

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Finally got new batteries in my camera and just shot these. She looks a LOT better than she did nearly a week ago at adoption, but she hasn't gained weight yet.

**Disclaimer: my dogs are usually not allowed on my furniture. I was otherwise occupied and found THIS when I went back into the living room. She was toppled from her perch after I shot a picture and made her bite her own tail:

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Connie Sutherland

· #2 · May 3, 2006

I think she will look really good when she has a few pounds added!

Nice face.

Stacia Porter

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 3, 2006

Connie Sutherland said:
I think she will look really good when she has a few pounds added!

Nice face.

Thanks, Connie. I'm putting teh weight on slowly due to that questionable hip. Vet said worst thing I could do was to aggravte it by fattening her up too quickly.

She's an alligator, though LOL.

Connie Sutherland

· #4 · May 3, 2006

<<< Thanks, Connie. I'm putting teh weight
on slowly due to that questionable hip. Vet said
worst thing I could do was to aggravte it by
fattening her up too quickly.

She's an alligator, though LOL >>>>>>

Oh, absolutely! And she doesn't look awful,
either.....just very thin.

Really good vet advice, IMO.

Stacia Porter

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 3, 2006

Connie Sutherland said:
<<< Thanks, Connie. I'm putting teh weight
on slowly due to that questionable hip. Vet said
worst thing I could do was to aggravte it by
fattening her up too quickly.

She's an alligator, though LOL >>>>>>

Oh, absolutely! And she doesn't look awful,
either.....just very thin.

Really good vet advice, IMO.

LOL Connie. She *is* very thin -- you're 120% correct. Poor thing's got at least 10 lbs to go, and probably more like 15! I didn't take a lot of before photos, but when I brought her home she looked sad, her fur was gray with all of the matted/dirty hair, and she was limping pretty badly. It's amazing what a week can do (and a couple of baths). She's still seriously skinny, but stools are normal, smile on her face, adn she's wrestling with me!!!!

I'm still wondering if her "hip" issue isn't just sleeping on very hard, cold concrete for 2 weeks? I've been helping her get some light exercise iin the frm of short neighborhood walks (like 5 minutes at a time) and soft things to lay on and I don't notice it as much as I did. But at any rate I'd rather be safe than sorry where HD is concerned nad will still have hte x-rays done.

Sarah Hall

· #6 · May 3, 2006

She's going to be absoultely gorgeous after weight is on her, and because of the good nutrition that coat is going to SHINE! She's lucky you found her!

Stacia Porter

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 3, 2006

Sarah Hall said:
She's going to be absoultely gorgeous after weight is on her, and because of the good nutrition that coat is going to SHINE! She's lucky you found her!

Thanks, Sarah! Her coat already is shining from the Royal Canin.

Totally off topic: but do you know much about Canidae? I was looking at it last night and noticed that my dogs would eat way less of it than they do their current food, and I liked that the first fivef ingredients were mostly meat (whereas in RC they're meat and then rice). I would prefer to go back to raw, but we don't seem to have the resources here that I was hoping to have (there are NO butchers nad NO slaughterhouses in the area at all...very odd).

Kristen Cabe

· #8 · May 3, 2006

Canidae

Canidae is what I feed, Stacia. I LOVE it and cannot sing its praises enough! My pet dog has been on it for going on 3 years now, and Jak has been on it for a couple of months now. It's an "all life stages" food, so it can be fed to puppies, adults, and seniors. That means that everyone's on the same food, so you don't have two or three different bags of dog food. It's also made with human-grade ingredients, and no corn, soy, chemical preservatives, or byproducts.

I did a price comparison several weeks ago for a guy that was feeding Beneful to his 60 pound Golden retriever, and it actually came out equal. I think it was something like $285 to feed one 60 pound dog over the course of a year, for Beneful or Canidae. There's a BIG difference in the two foods, and a decent difference in price per bag, but when you look at how much you have to feed of the Beneful, you're having to buy it almost twice as often as the Canidae, so that's why it equals out in cost in the long run. Gypsy gets 1 1/2 to 2 cups of food a day depending on how active she is, and whether or not she starts to look a little 'chunky' to me. Jak gets anywhere from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 cups a day, depending on whether he's in the middle of a growth spurt or not - which I think he is right now, because he's literally SCARFING. :lol:

Canidae has two "all life stages" formulas now; the original, which is made with turkey, chicken, lamb, and herring and their new chicken & rice one which only uses chicken as the meat protein. I've always used the original, so I can't comment on the chicken formula at all. The kibble is fairly small, so Abbie shouldn't have trouble with it, and it's got a 'dry' crunch that's very similar to a baked food - not hard and not crumbly. Doesn't taste bad, either (yes, I've tried it!)

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Stacia Porter

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 3, 2006

Re: Canidae

Kristen Cabe said:
Canidae is what I feed, Stacia. I LOVE it and cannot sing its praises enough! My pet dog has been on it for going on 3 years now, and Jak has been on it for a couple of months now. It's an "all life stages" food, so it can be fed to puppies, adults, and seniors. That means that everyone's on the same food, so you don't have two or three different bags of dog food. It's also made with human-grade ingredients, and no corn, soy, chemical preservatives, or byproducts.

I did a price comparison several weeks ago for a guy that was feeding Beneful to his 60 pound Golden retriever, and it actually came out equal. I think it was something like $285 to feed one 60 pound dog over the course of a year, for Beneful or Canidae. There's a BIG difference in the two foods, and a decent difference in price per bag, but when you look at how much you have to feed of the Beneful, you're having to buy it almost twice as often as the Canidae, so that's why it equals out in cost in the long run. Gypsy gets 1 1/2 to 2 cups of food a day depending on how active she is, and whether or not she starts to look a little 'chunky' to me. Jak gets anywhere from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 cups a day, depending on whether he's in the middle of a growth spurt or not - which I think he is right now, because he's literally SCARFING. :lol:

Canidae has two "all life stages" formulas now; the original, which is made with turkey, chicken, lamb, and herring and their new chicken & rice one which only uses chicken as the meat protein. I've always used the original, so I can't comment on the chicken formula at all. The kibble is fairly small, so Abbie shouldn't have trouble with it, and it's got a 'dry' crunch that's very similar to a baked food - not hard and not crumbly. Doesn't taste bad, either (yes, I've tried it!)

Thanks, Kristen! I think we're going to switch. It would cost me FAR less to feed Canidae than it is to feed Royal Canin. I have to give Achilles 6 cups of the Royal Canin a day (sometimes more) and Andi is 5-6 cups! A 35 lb bag only lasts Achilles about 30 days, and it's nearly $50. Abbie's been eating Nutro Naturals weight management and one 40 lb bag lasts her 3 months LOL.

Where do you get your Canidae? I tried an online store search and the site came back with no hits. I was looking at Petfooddirect.com but it's about $15/bag to ship it to me (less if I buy more at once -- 3 40-lb bags was about $57 in shipping). I think Achilles' issue lately might be that he just doesn't have the desire to eat 6 cups of food a day, adn the RC seems to have gotten harder all of a sudden. He'll eat Abbie's Nutro without too much fuss (but of course that won't sustain him). He's only interested in about 1 c of food at a time suddenly!

Thanks again!

Kristen Cabe

· #10 · May 3, 2006

I get it from the local Pet Supplies Plus! store, where I talked to the manager and got him to start ordering it for me, but apparently it's popular because now he carries it all the time. It's about $35 with tax (I think) for a 40 pound bag, and when I get home, I can tell you how long a bag lasts feeding both dogs. When I was just feeding Gypsy, a 40 pound bag would last between 5 and 6 weeks!

If you want, I don't mind to buy a bag for you and bring it down there if you can't find a place locally to get it. I don't think the Pet Supplies Plus! store that I get mine from is listed on their website either, so there may be a place down there that carries it - you'd just have to look. If Wayne has training this weekend, I'll be down there anyway, and can bring you a bag then, or if you don't want to buy a whole bag right now, I can bring you 5 or 10 pounds to try, since I will have to buy a new bag before the weekend anyway. Just let me know.

Oh, and I've also got some Nutro coupons if you want them. If you go to their website and sign up for the Frequent Buyer Program (http://www.nutroproducts.com/fbpnutroReg.asp), they will send you a bunch of coupons.
I still have 2 coupons for $2 off any 15 pound bag or larger of Nutro Natural Choice that expire in July, and I won't use them so you're welcome to them if you want them. I've also got:

2 $2 off 15 pound bag or larger of Ultra,
2 $2 off 15 pounds or more of Nutro Max,
2 $1 Natural Choice treats,
1 $2 off of 6 large or 12 small cans, and
1 $1 off a box of biscuits

All of them expire July 31, 2006.

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G

· #11 · May 3, 2006

I don't have time to get into the food discussion part, but how much does she weigh? How tall is she? She looked ok from the pics. Is she much thinner than she appears? I know it's hard to see much in a picture of a black dog, so is her torso much thinner than it looks? As long as she's healthy, I wouldn't be overly concerned if she's a little thin.

Maybe I'm just the world's worst mother, but from what I saw, she looks like Caleb. Last set of ribs slightly visible, hip bones visible, small "waist", spine visible. His spine and hips always seem to be visible, regardless of weight.I think with a large dog, it's better to err on the side of thin. Compare the health issues of overweight versus underweight. Depending on size and lines, if she's only 2, she may not be physically mature. Caleb turned 2 in December, and he's still a little puppyish, which I think has a lot to do with some of his protruding bones and supermodel physique. Except for the giant head

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G

· #12 · May 3, 2006

Ok, wouldn't let me edit cuz it was in "debug mode" (MIKE?), so I am forced to double-post. While everyone's on food and comparing cost, don't rule out Innova Evo. It seems outrageous if you're just comparing bags by weight. BUT-they eat FAR less Evo than Royal Canin or Canidae. Caleb eats just slightly over half the amnt. he normally eats when fed kibble. He eats about 4-5 cups of Royal Canin and about 4 of Canidae; he eats 2-2.5 cups of Evo. IMO, it's far superior to other kibbles, if you're planning on feeding kibble long-term. I did a cost comparison, and found that Evo is less expensive than Royal Canin GSD, and about on par with Canidae, but I think it's way better than Canidae as far as quality of ingredients, and the fact that Evo uses cartilage, bone, etc. to simulate raw feeding. It's by far the easiest I've found to switch back and forth from raw.

Kristen Cabe

· #13 · May 3, 2006

What about if kibble is all you're feeding? I've been told that EVO shouldn't be fed exclusively; that it should be fed in conjunction with a raw diet.

Innova EVO can be more difficult to find than some of the other brands like Canidae and Solid Gold. At least in my experience.

G

· #14 · May 3, 2006

I've never heard you can't feed Evo by itself; I wonder if the fact that it's one that is *safer* to feed in conjunction w/raw has gotten twisted into that? Hmm. If I remember correctly, the bag just says that it's a great alternative to raw, and good with raw...I'll have to check. I've never fed it for "extended" periods of time. As far as finding it-order it online or go to the site and click on the list of who carries it in your state. I think you could probably get someone to order it for you if they saw the price :wink: .

Woody Taylor

· #15 · May 3, 2006

I just switched over both my cat and dog to Evo (Cat and Dog, respectively). It is designed as either a total RAW food or to balance out ratios in a mixed diet between it and RAW.

Edited to say that it does smell kind of funky.

Kristen Cabe

· #16 · May 3, 2006

From the Natura Pet website:

Innova EVO is also a convenient, complete and balanced supplement to a raw feeding program.

Don't get me wrong; I'm NOT knocking the food. Innova makes a great product. It's just that I don't know that I'd recommend EVO to someone who was going to feed just kibble.

Kristen Cabe

· #17 · May 3, 2006

Oh crap. NEVERMIND. I also found where it said it could be fed in lieu of a raw diet. #-o

G

· #18 · May 3, 2006

Kristen, don't let it happen again

:lol: . I am going to the store right now hoping to make some exciting discovery in dog food. Since Caleb is gone, I can afford to feed Widge and Dustin differently, and raw is hard in such small quantities w/my schedule. I'll let everyone know if I strike gold...

Stacia Porter

Discussion Starter · #19 · May 3, 2006

Jenni Williams said:
I don't have time to get into the food discussion part, but how much does she weigh? How tall is she? She looked ok from the pics. Is she much thinner than she appears? I know it's hard to see much in a picture of a black dog, so is her torso much thinner than it looks? As long as she's healthy, I wouldn't be overly concerned if she's a little thin.

Maybe I'm just the world's worst mother, but from what I saw, she looks like Caleb. Last set of ribs slightly visible, hip bones visible, small "waist", spine visible. His spine and hips always seem to be visible, regardless of weight.I think with a large dog, it's better to err on the side of thin. Compare the health issues of overweight versus underweight. Depending on size and lines, if she's only 2, she may not be physically mature. Caleb turned 2 in December, and he's still a little puppyish, which I think has a lot to do with some of his protruding bones and supermodel physique. Except for the giant head .

Jenni, she's 61 cm at the withers and only 50 lbs. I didn't show the pic of her from the top and b/c she's black you can't see very well but EVERY one of her ribs is showing completely (to the point where you can watch her muscles and skin move over them). I thouhgt for sure I posted that pic of her from teh top...oh well, here goes:

I want her around 60 lbs I think. Poor thing was full of worms and just whelped so that accounts for most her skinny physique. I keep Achilles pretty thin (he's 65 cm at the withers and 63 lbs at 13 mths).

Innova Evo? I'll have to look into that Jenni. Thanks!!!

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Connie Sutherland

· #20 · May 3, 2006

Kristen Cabe said:
Oh crap. NEVERMIND. I also found where it said it could be fed in lieu of a raw diet. #-o

Has anyone been using Evo for a while? I was looking at the product profile, and it looks outstanding (for a non-allergy-prone dog).

I wish I could get some kind of fix as to the difference between THK (I very much like the fact that it's dehydrated at relatively low temps instead of cooked to kibble) with added RMBs, and Evo and raw fed at different meals. Is anyone doing that (the second)? I'm looking for anecdotal evidence.

I'm not looking for a switch (I use raw, with THK no-grain formulae as emergency or travel backup), but maybe I should be adding Evo to my "rave" list for other people's requests for recommendations. I get a lot of PMs on this and other boards asking for good alternatives to raw. I think most people who who post a lot about raw probably do!

When THK appeared, appropriate for adding in RMBs, I was thrilled.

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