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Eran Maschkowski said:
thank you
but i didn't understand the duck part?!? :?

eran
It carried over from a thread about ducks and dogs getting along (or not), and it was just a little humor. Nothing about your excellent dog!
 

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I wanted to point out the calm and good handling, particularly the soft yet firm pushes on the dog's neck while on the bite. Overall, that type of handling promotes good, hard bites, and helps the dog during the "choke-off" preventing his becoming chewy. That is also the way to teach a dog to push into the bite, as opposed to pulling - pulling - pulling.

Beyond looking at the dog in the video...I wanted to ask people to look at the handling of your dog during bite development training, as a good example.
 

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Nice dog, but what is the purpose of choking the dog from the bite, is this standard in KNPV-training? When do you learn the dog what an out means?
 

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I learn it when they´re still on the sleeve...a good out is another bite :wink: So when the´re on the suit, the out is already good.

So no, it isnt common.
 

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Simpel.
Learning the dog to bite=learning the dog "out".
Learning the dog to bark=learning the dog to be quiet.
Learning the dog to hold an artikel in his mouth=learning him to give it on command in your hands.

All those things are eachothers opposite and makes clear for a dog what you want from him.
Only then you can demand what you want from a dog. A lot is going wrong because of miscommunication/misunderstanding between the dog and handler.
A lot of handlers think too soon that a dog is understanding what they mean/want and give too little attention in the learning fase to a dog to make sure to practice in little steps what they want from him.
Making little steps, means also that you have the possibility of making a stap backworths if you´re having a problem with an exercise.

The better and claerer it is for a dog what you want, the more pressure you can give to a dog to demand your will, and the more stabile he will work for you.
The filosophy of working a policedog (and also KNPV, if you still see it as a preporation for the working policedog) is that the dog must do what the handler wants because he demands that from his dog at every time in every place. So not depending if a dog is willing at that moment because that makes the working dog too unreliable.
The dog should be happy because he makes the handler happy(with doing what the handler wants) So in the end you have a happy dog, but for the right reason.....

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I have a stupid question.Why is it preferrable that a dog push into the bite,speaking only from a working standpoint?
 

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Greg Long said:
I have a stupid question.Why is it preferrable that a dog push into the bite,speaking only from a working standpoint?
There is no such thing as a stupid question.... :wink:

It is better for a dog to push as to pull, because when a dog bites in policepractice you will see thad de dog that pulls will have mostly clothes in his mouth and no "bodyparts".
The place for a policedog here in Holland as a policeweapon is right under the firearm(pistol) so above the pepperspray and batton.
It comes in when those weapons do not work anymore or are not proportional. Just biting some clothing does´nt make the diffrence.
When the policedog is used he should make the difference. So realy take the suspect out and that doesn´t happen with only a mouth full of clothes. :wink:

It also says something about the dog when he naturaly pull or pushes. But that is a different reason why I like the dog to push.

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I can understand that and it makes sense.To me a dog that is not working strictly in prey will not intentionally go for just clothes.I guess you are just trying to help the dog a little?I know a bite can slip to just the clothes but my dogs usually want meat anyway.Just an observation.
 

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Ok, that´s what I´m used too, learning the dog what an outs means early on, by givining the dog another bite for example. If the dog is choked away from the bite, I guess this could lead to misscomunication/missunderstanding if the dog is old and then suddenly are demanded to out when it´s doesn´t even know what an out means.
 

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I got here some repleys from our dutch experts who have way mare experiense then me ,so i have to be carefull with me answers.

about the choking of the dog and if it is common in the knpv or not.
the choke off isn't on common too, i have seen some clubs who do it even till an age later then a 1 year old dog and it's not because the dog didn't bite good or not so...

there are people (in holland) who say that if you do the chook off good it only makes the dogs bite stronger and harder , but you have to do it very very correct and right. this doesn't say that these dogs are not good dogs tough they do it as a way of their training method.

after said that I know and understand what selena and dick mean with the confllicts for the dog and i was allready planning to learn the dog to "out" in the coupple off next week.

and greg- a don't agree with you about what you wrote. you have a lot off dogs that even i they are in defense or not in the "strickt prey drive " like you said will pull pull and pull so!!!
 

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I do it a bit like Eran. I teach bite, bite, bite up to a bit beyond one year, and then I teach to "out". Plus, I agree that a good choke off promotes a very stiff and hard bite. When you "out" for a re-bite, IMO, you can create a conflict if there is no re-bite.

Also, I have to very, very careful. Mr. van Rossum :wink: and his wife, Selena, have VERY important credentials.
 
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