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Our boys..all cousins (all of them Rocky (grand)sons)

Van Leeuwen´s Robbie (3 jr)


Van Leeuwen´s Spike (4 jr)


Van Leeuwen´s Wibo (15 mnd)
 

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Robbie has a head more like my Shooter than the others.Although my new pup Zarco has a head more like Spike.Both mine are related to those guys.great pics! :lol:
 

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Robbie has a head more like my Shooter than the others.Although my new pup Zarco has a head more like Spike.Both mine are related to those guys.great pics! :lol:
They sure are excellent pics........... plus the whole dog is in the picture, with no thumb on the side! I must remember that technique...........
 

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Beautiful dogs! All of them. :D

I LOVE Spike's face. Most of the Dutchies I've seen have been very angular - more like Robbie. How often do you run across Dutchies with a look more like Spike?
 

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Robbie has more the face of a x malinois, most of our line dutchies have a shorter and wider face, like Spike and Wibo.

the less mixed, the more "dutchie" face.
 
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The dutch look more like GSDs than the mals, as far as I am concerned. Selena, is it true that dutch dogs, mals and the GSDs have common ancestors even before the formation of the SV and the NPV? Is it still common practice to crossbreed mals with dutchies as I knew them to be in the early days?

Just curious.
 

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on a english board somebody ask more about the dutchie, had typed quite what about it. Just a min, i quote it here
 

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me on another board said:
The dutchies, belgians and germans have the same origin. All were herding/guard dogs for farmers around 1890.

At this point in history people started to divide the dogs on colour and hairlength to start a sort of kennelclub.

The brindle ones became dutchies (rough,long and shorthair), the yellow ones became malinois, the yellow (pepper and salt colour) roughair became laekenois, the longhairs were divided in black (groenedaler) and coloured (tervurenaars) ones. The ones with a coloured deck became GSD´s.

In the beginning there could easily be changed of race, when the "stamboek" were still open. The "stamboek" was closed some where in the1930´s (if im correct).

The origin (genepole) of all the shepherds are the same thus.

Till the ´70´s the pedigreed dutchie was very well suited for working tasks like IPO and KNPV. Then they decided to breed more on apearance then workingskills. In the present most of the pedigreed dutchies aren´t good enough for workingsports (except some of theb ones from working kennels...but that is a whole other story), but make good pets and agility/search/flyball dogs.

As you probably know there is also alot of non-pedigreed dogs in the working world. It isn´t considered necessary to have a pedigree, as long the workingskills are good. The origin of this thought is founden in the early 1900´s when people wanted a good dog, but haven´t had the money for the pedigree.
In Holland it is along tradition, and could be considered as a race of his own.

In this "race" the workingskills, the health and not the apearance counts. The base are the malinois, gsd and dutchies...and in the early years they had probably a pedigree. The base is interracial mixed and in some lines there is crossed in a great dane or pittbull...not many times only once or twice.

Nowadays there is a database were bloodlines can be seen and followed..some bloodlines are known as far as the 1940´s, but most go back to ´70´s and 80´s. More than enough to make a wellthinked breeding.

Indeed the colour is the dog..brindle=x ds, yellow/brown= x mh, with black deck= x GSD etc.

The x DS-x MH could have a lot of malinios characther and therefor is isnt weird people do believe x DS is just a xMH with a brindle colour.

If you take a look on the bloodlines of our dogs(example spike www.bloedlijnen.nl/stamboom.php?ID=3455) the last 5 or more generations are xDS with a lot of inbreeding, therefor the characther can not be compared to a crossing like 90 % malinois and 10 % ds.


Hope that you understand a little know, hard to translate sometimes.
 
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