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Maybe not politically correct, but this is what terrier heart/gameness/fightdrive is all about.
the BT just ran around having fun till the bull put the matador on the ground.
Those here who are intelligent enough to speak two languages, "What the he(( are they saying"? :oops: :oops: :lol:
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I always root for the bull in bull fighting even though that video was more like bull baiting. In my opinion that's animal cruelty. People that participate in bull fighting simply aren't very bright. Now, bull riding takes mucho cajones!! which that dog DEFINITELY has,
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Now that's a personal protection dog I'd like to have. It's nice to see throwbacks to the old days, dogs with both the courage and ability to stop man or beast.


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Ditto on the bull fighting and bull baiting. There was just a side of me that really apprieciates what heart a dog can have when I saw that video.
What I really find enjoyable are the videos that show the Matador getting the bull's horn ran up his.......errr...back pocket.
 

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Had to bump this..now thats a GAME DOG!
Haz, Not a game dog. A lot of heart yes, but gameness no. You see the dog was running around in the beginning like a cur. Nice dog though. My bull got loose last month on neighbors heavily wooded property. After 2 hours of chasing the summabitch, I had to enlist my malinois TJ. We found the bull down creek, i released the beast and he hit the bull square in the nose, and got tossed 10 ft in the air. He hit the ground hard, and went in for round2. 5seconds and tossed again. Bull decided to run back home, with TJ on his heels. Got bull home, patched fence up, and gave TJ a steak sandwich(bologne).

He is game...no, doing what he bred to do....no. Doing what his master says..yes.
 

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People that participate in bull fighting simply aren't very bright.

What makes you state this?

I can accept you being against it...but determining the participant's intelligence level seems to be a bit too much.

Would you like to question my intelectual capacity? Especially, since I enjoy and attend bullfights in my country, because it is legal. I also have very good friends who are bull fighting bull breeders...

Just curious...
 

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i don't understand the knock against the Bull Terrier's gameness, because i always thought gameness was the willingness to engage in a fight and keep fighting, in spite of injury, exhaustion, reason, self-preservation, etc. i thought the dog did an outstanding job of taking his knocks and coming back for more, and whomever he belongs to ought to be pretty frickin' proud of him.
this video aside, i only like bull fights when the Matador gets himself skewered, because that's what he deserves. this blunt animal is bled with little spears and then bled some more with those short decorated spears they bury in his shoulders so he can no longer raise his head and he's hurting and he's angry and tired and here's this arrogant postulating jerk who twirls him around until the sword is sunk in. sometimes they kill the bull with a proper thrust lined up to get to the heart, but they also screw it up a lot and so it takes a couple swords and stabs. also, there is the goring of horses going on from time to time before the matador gets his turn in the ring. it's a STUPID past time. there's no way it's got the dignity or street brawler balls of bull riding, either, so while Tiago Fontes may like to attend, what he is watching is a cowardly spectacle. as for his friends who breed these bulls, if they're any good they probably make pretty decent money, but i doubt it comes anywhere near what the stock handlers/purveyors working with the PBR are bringing in. oh, and those bulls live nice long plush lives...no blood-letting or skewering allowed. i wouldn't hazard a guess on the intelligence of those who support or engage in bull fighting because even smart people do really stupid things sometimes.
 

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i don't understand the knock against the Bull Terrier's gameness, because i always thought gameness was the willingness to engage in a fight and keep fighting, in spite of injury, exhaustion, reason, self-preservation, etc. i thought the dog did an outstanding job of taking his knocks and coming back for more, and whomever he belongs to ought to be pretty frickin' proud of him.
this video aside, i only like bull fights when the Matador gets himself skewered, because that's what he deserves. this blunt animal is bled with little spears and then bled some more with those short decorated spears they bury in his shoulders so he can no longer raise his head and he's hurting and he's angry and tired and here's this arrogant postulating jerk who twirls him around until the sword is sunk in. sometimes they kill the bull with a proper thrust lined up to get to the heart, but they also screw it up a lot and so it takes a couple swords and stabs. also, there is the goring of horses going on from time to time before the matador gets his turn in the ring. it's a STUPID past time. there's no way it's got the dignity or street brawler balls of bull riding, either, so while Tiago Fontes may like to attend, what he is watching is a cowardly spectacle. as for his friends who breed these bulls, if they're any good they probably make pretty decent money, but i doubt it comes anywhere near what the stock handlers/purveyors working with the PBR are bringing in. oh, and those bulls live nice long plush lives...no blood-letting or skewering allowed. i wouldn't hazard a guess on the intelligence of those who support or engage in bull fighting because even smart people do really stupid things sometimes.
Ok, Catherine. :)

Meanwhile, look at some of my "coward" friends catching a bull...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOST7XoHr8M
 

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Ok, Catherine. :)

Meanwhile, look at some of my "coward" friends catching a bull...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOST7XoHr8M
yep, those guys should be sterilized so they don't further degrade the gene pool.
how long did they work the bull before the matador needed some foils for his cape work?
would your good pals have fared so well against a fresh bull?
really.truly.not impressed.
 

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This is not a bull baiting or fight. From what I can make out from the presenter, this is an old traditional thing where guys screw with the bull to show courage. The dog is a stray that happened to show up.

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This is not a bull baiting or fight. From what I can make out from the presenter, this is an old traditional thing where guys screw with the bull to show courage. The dog is a stray that happened to show up.

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This is what I thought, too. And I know that it's similar to what Bob thought, too, except that he thought it was the guy's dog, and that it was a "dog defending owner" thing.

If we were wrong, I apologize.



I know everyone will help us keep inviolate just about the first rule ever put into place here, seven years ago (and there are very few rules here) .... no pen- or pit-fighting.
 

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The video was cool enough it was worth reposting.

I thought a game dog was a dog that liked to fight, gets in the fight and stay in the fight. The dog shows no fear and plenty of willingness to engage. When the bull gores him off the bite he either came back in to engage or dodges. I dont see his running around as an expression of fear merely a strategy to tire the bull before he re engages.

Either way awesome dog that seems to be the real deal. Also, Iv seen a lot of strays but never a pure bred BT.
 

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This is not a bull baiting or fight. From what I can make out from the presenter, this is an old traditional thing where guys screw with the bull to show courage. The dog is a stray that happened to show up.

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That was my original thought when I posted it. It's more like an open street or town square then anything like a gage or pit. the dog was doing nothing more then running around being a PIA till the man went down.
I've hunted many critters with my earth dogs. Putting them in a pen or cage with another animal is something altogether different. I retired a couple of dogs before I finally got one that bayed the quarry iin the ground. I say no point in my dogs or the quarry getting trashed. NONE of my hunting partners were into seeing something get tore up. When the farmers wanted them gone we dug to the dogs and shot the critter.
 

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yep, those guys should be sterilized so they don't further degrade the gene pool.
how long did they work the bull before the matador needed some foils for his cape work?
would your good pals have fared so well against a fresh bull?
really.truly.not impressed.

Catherine,

I had one "good pal" in coma for two weeks from a bull. You speak and give opinions on something completely unknown to your existence.

I accept that is not something you enjoy... but to say "those guys should be sterilized so they dont further degrade the gene pool" is a bit silly.

On the other hand, those guys have guts, skill and enjoy what they do. I've been by their side bull catching and really enjoyed myself (the day after is hard, though).

Nonetheless, I am not here to change your opinion/perception. You offered the reaction/response of someone who is emotional about something you know nothing about. It was expected... nothing surprising.

To my last paragraph, you will most likely come back with something within the lines/meaning of:

"most sound individuals wouldnt do it...it is cruel to stab an animal...there is no courage involved... there is nothing to be emotional about cruelty against animals... is the animal not suffering? ..." thats how you're conditioned, it is how you view it... it is your perception.

Just keep something in mind, not everything is what it seems... There's a lot to learn about in life.
 

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There's nothing I can learn in life from stabbing an exhausted, drugged and terrified cow. This has been banned in all civilized countries;

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” ― Mahatma Gandhi;
 

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There's nothing I can learn in life from stabbing an exhausted, drugged and terrified cow. This has been banned in all civilized countries;

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” ― Mahatma Gandhi;
Drugging? Where do they do that?

Bullfighting is horrible enough in reality so there is no need to make things up.

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I don't like the actual bull fighting or bull baiting either but I still wont force my beliefs and traditions on a culture I know nothing about.
We were all raised with different values and I look at it as pure arrogance to tell some one from a different culture that they are wrong as long as it doesn't hurt me or my family and friends.
Personally I think if we were all alike the world would be pretty damn boring.
"When in Rome"........
 
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