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Matt, How do you teach a patterned building search without a long line?
When we focus on patterning in training I will set up the search in a long hall with a ton of doors on both sides. We will always set up the first bite behind the first door. The second bite will be behind the second door on the opposite side....and so on. The end result will be a dog that learns to work the door seams all the way down the hall, one after the other.Matt, How do you teach a patterned building search without a long line?
We do a lot of long line work in general so our dogs are use to dragging them around all the time. We don't use them in building search though. I have been toying with the idea of combining the down with a silent whistle for some fun stealthy search stuff.... just need to stop being lazy and try it. Perhaps I will do so with my Yorkie. He is my experimental dog I try everything with before we go live with our PSD's :mrgreen:Funny you should mention these two things. My dog will work with hand signals but in a dark building it's difficult sometimes. Impossible if the dog can't see you.
I attended a tactical K9 school a few years ago and we used the long line in a SWAT stack. It was interesting. Last night I broke out the long line in a building for the first time with this particular dog. We create a stack and searched the building on lead in increments. The dog was downed after each section was searched the we crept up to him to continue the search. It was my boy's first time doing this on line and if I had to grade him I'd give him a "C". Not too bad for his first time. You could see the confusion at first but at the end he did a bit better. I used the light to make sure he hit every door in the search if he missed one. We don't have a dedicated SWAT dog and depend on out patrol dogs so to assist the entry team now and then. It's good that the dog has seen the exercise before actually doing it for real.
I use the long line a lot outdoors of course. Indoors it is a pain especially if there is a lot of things to get hung up on. The silent whistle is a novel idea. Some use the ecollar to do the same. I'd like to see a video on the whistle deal if/when you get to it.We do a lot of long line work in general so our dogs are use to dragging them around all the time. We don't use them in building search though. I have been toying with the idea of combining the down with a silent whistle for some fun stealthy search stuff.... just need to stop being lazy and try it. Perhaps I will do so with my Yorkie. He is my experimental dog I try everything with before we go live with our PSD's :mrgreen:
We just finished week three with the new knuckle heads. I will have to start taking some video next week. I'll make a new thread on this.I use the long line a lot outdoors of course. Indoors it is a pain especially if there is a lot of things to get hung up on. The silent whistle is a novel idea. Some use the ecollar to do the same. I'd like to see a video on the whistle deal if/when you get to it.
Haha!! loved it!! Next use the laser to teach that boxer to get you beer from the fridge!!Laser pointer work 2nd session for target odor. The laser and the odor were paired up on one other session earlier today. Working out the alert as we go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASVy3ENXos&list=UU2qZ6PJgHCCrWudCncq4r8A
Please don't use this as a guide on how to train searching with a laser. I am building some cues in that will make it a reliable party trick, but not a reliable for searching in the "real" world. Pardon my shaky presentations as well.
Also a big thanks to a hard worker...
Say there fella, word on the street is your looking for superheros.Laser pointer work 2nd session for target odor. The laser and the odor were paired up on one other session earlier today. Working out the alert as we go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASVy3ENXos&list=UU2qZ6PJgHCCrWudCncq4r8A
Say there fella, word on the street is your looking for superheros.
Nice job and damn that was funny. I see you got one of those talker cats. I had one that would climb curtains and drag herself along stairs upside down when I played heavy metal but it had to be loud. Cats are curious creatures. :razz:
I assume you meant in the context originally asked? If not, take a look below. The others (tactical), I expect would be harder to come by for various reasons.Nick.
Sorry to hijack ever so slightly. I do find it odd that in the whole other thread and this one there is no video of a dog working with a laser. Seems like it would be a really useful technique with predictable drawbacks.
Any vids....anyone???
I assume you meant in the context originally asked? If not, take a look below. The others (tactical), I expect would be harder to come by for various reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxEjZnrzLF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CArLtiTXHSk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MaRFuFPOSk - something a bit different.
Yes I have trained a lot of combat dogs that we trained using the laser as a directional tool. I never used it in a play mode (just having the dogs chase it). I used it to get the dogs to go to certain areas looking for armed/hidden combatants or to areas to start explosive detection. I found that the green colored laser worked best. Also, just directing the laser on one small spot the dogs did not seem to pick upon as well as say a figure 8 type pattern. It also works best starting the dog outside and “lazing” on the downwind side of an easy hide (odor or decoy) that is out of sight from the starting point. Quick and fun finds = easier and quicker resultsI cannot remember where but I once saw an advertisement for a class teaching using a laser light to direct a dog through a building search. I have seen dogs go crazy for laser pointers as a play thing but never seen them used as a useful tool in real life. Anyone use this type of method, been to that type of training?
Dark building searches were always the worst thing on the book you often didn’t know if the perp was armed or with what buildings were wrecks often with broken glass boards with nails you name It. We used dog boots when possible even So my dog managed a cut foot . Even as trainer I got my share of cuts and bruises especially when we practiced rough stuffAll but three of them are still members. One of the guys made a good point about trying to get people to understand the need or purpose in what they (cops) do by arguing with people who don't understand or do the job.
I got some if my best information from some of the guys that posted on that thread. I spoke to a number of them about their participation on the forum after it dwindled away. Most stopped for the reason noted above. Or in other words people just talking out of their asses with no experience or actual understanding about what they were yammering on about. They got tired of it and lost interest in the forum.
Course a lot of the better stuff was posted nearly five years ago. People's priorities and needs change. And I guess too, that maybe Facebook has taken over the world. I really couldn't say for sure on that. I don't have a Facebook account as I refuse to be sucked into allowing that type of useless shit into my life. The WDF offers enough diversity for my needs, though I'd sure like to see it liven up.
Keep posting. It might serve as a much needed impetus to resurface some of our officers and military members that used to post more frequently.