i'll agree with parts of that for PSD's. chances are, at some point the dog is going to be put in defense. you don't want the dog's first time to be on a real bite. the dog should be comfortable working in defense. this comes back to what you said about rewarding the dog. when the dog is put in defense, it should be rewarded for forward aggression (given a bite). this is also where a good decoy comes in. one who can read the dog and get to a level just below flight.I don't think from what you have described that I would breed that dog.
Working better in defense, implies that the dog doesn't have a lot of prey drive, or possibly, that the person working the dog likes to see teeth more.
As far as the dog being one step away from flight.........depends on the dog, but I don't think so. I just do sport, and do not feel there is any need for that kind of pressure. I also do not believe that you need to press a dog like that so he is more "real". Dogs either are, or are not. Can't make appear what isn't there.
I guess that the big thing to remember, is that when you give a dog a bite, you are rewarding the dog, not only on a behavior, but the emotion behind it. This is what people lose sight of I think. It is not what YOU want to see in the dog that should be brought out, but what the dog is.
You also condition a response. This is why at the level that the dogs are at the championships, the dog has went through the routine how many hundreds of times???
The dogs that make the championships are middle to just above middle dogs for the most part. I don't think that really powerful dogs make it to this level of training because of what they are.
i know you didn't address that, that's why i said it was off topic. the reason i asked, was my dog was never vocal on the bite until about 6 months ago or so. he starts to get vocal on the bite after about 3 or 4 seconds. in looking at it, i came to the conclusion that after about 3 or 4 seconds is usually when i usually out the dog on a "routine" bite (which required a lot of e-collar use. not so much anymore). i think he's anticipating the ecollar correction and is objecting to that...OK, I need a bit more on the vocalizing thing, I don't see were I adressed that.
Dogs work in defense, many times whether you are trying to work them that way or not. So I am not sure how the first time would be on the street.
As far as vocalizing on the bite........I would really have to see the dog to tell you what was up there.
i agree with most of that. in the beginning, i just wanted to get the dog to consistently out. that took some doing. now he's pretty consistent with his outs and i can address this other issue.@ tim: yes, anticipating on the out. More busy on the out than on his bite. Why the he** such sort bites? Make your routine less routine and learn dog to obey instead of anticipating on his punishment.
Somewhere you went wrong and the line between bad behaviour (punishment when not out) and good behaviour(bite when asked) is vaporized, you aint clear what you want from him. I´ll object to that to.
tim is visiting in september, shall we give him the same treatment as you?Yes Selena, you can learn from Tim's wise words
agree 100% and will be working on that as soon as i can train with him again (which is next week i hope)...tim if you change your routine, and he knows his out and I believe you if you say so, you become unpredictable (sp?) and Camo becomes more dependent of you. Depency creats good obey-ers.