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HH x MH = hollandse herder cross mechelse herder =dutchie/mal cross

wow. i just noticed that his grandfather on his father's side is the same as my dog's grandfather on his father's side. cool. didn't know that. i don't see any dutch shepherd on this dog's pedigree. must come from one of the \"unknowns\"...
 

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I´ve heard of him, never saw him work though. Supposed to be a great inherator.
 
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Greg sent me that pic a few weeks ago. Where did you find that Tim? Can anyone translate that site for me? I want him; money is no object :wink: .
 

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jenni,

i've had that site bookmarked for a while. i think i found it while looking at the KNPV site and viewing a list of the top finishers from a trial.

btw, if you do buy him, i'll give you $1 more than whatever you pay...
 

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Jenni Williams said:
Greg sent me that pic a few weeks ago. Where did you find that Tim? Can anyone translate that site for me? I want him; money is no object :wink: .
If you post the sentences you want to be translated, Mike, Elly, Hil or me can translate it for you.
 
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Gee, Thanks Tim! :lol:

Translators: could you just look at the site and tell me if he's still around, if progeny are black/brindled like that, how much they are, etc. That would be awesome! There's not a particular sentence-I don't understand ANY of them!

I love that head too; maybe I could get that if I crossed Caleb with a Dutchie? :| Brindle rocks! If I crossed him with a pit, the poor pups probably wouldn't be able to carry their own heads :wink: :lol: !
 

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Geleider : Erick Verhoeven his owner
Pater Becanusstraat 20
5741 LD BEEK EN DONK
tel. 0492 46 47 42 of 06 52 66 84 53

www.fonskeshome.nl his website

Hond : Fonske II
ras : HH x MH
ph1 : 439 punten met lof 2003 his trial was 439 out of 440
ph2 : 435 punten met lof 2005 his trial was 435 out of 455
object : 350 punten met lof 2004 his trial was 350 out of 356
these are 3 different programmes

beschrijving : Zeer donkere hond, geweldige revier- en bewakingsdrift en een zeer mooie steller. a desribtion: a very dark dog, with great search and guarding drives, and a very good bite attack

vererving : De eerste jongen gaan dit jaar naar de oktoberkeuring. Hij vererft veel goed werkende honden. inherating: the first offspring will go for their trial this fall f(2005), he inherates many good working dogs
afstamming : Fonske II is een nestbroer van Rico (PH1 440) van dhr. W.A. Toelen uit Gemonde. he is a brother of Rico who earned 440/440 and the name of his owner who is a good trainer.
prestaties : Fonske II is winnaar van diverse kampioens- licht- en nationale wedstrijden. Hij behaalde de 5e plaats bij de nationale kampioenschappen Objectbewaking. Achievments: he is winner of some champion and international trials, he went to the nationals of object guarding and ended 5th
bloedlijnen : BRN 3307 the number on his bloodlines on bloedlijnen.nl www.bloedlijnen.nl/stamboom.php?id=3307
 

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I just looked up that dogs pedigree information, the dog was crossed with a german shepherd some 7 generations back on the fathers side. The Pedigree looks a lil bit goofy too though, like there's a MH/MH that produced an XMH, how do you produce a cross when the 2 parents are the same breed? Then I also see an XMH/MH that produced an MH, how did a cross father create a purebred son??

With all the weirdness and unknowns in that pedigree, as well as the GSD being listed, I'm pretty sure that's a Mal/GSD/Dutchie cross, the saddle very clearly originates out of the GSD's mix if you look at the photos out of the fathers line.

They say that \"from time to time pups are bred\". But currently no pups available.
 
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Ah, de temps en temps... :wink:

But I want one NOW! :evil:

I don't care what the thing is; I'm gonna buy one or make one! :lol:
 

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If you go to his website you can see he has some litters with Fonske, if you send an e-mail you can learn more I suppose. If you´ve any problems with language send me an e-mail, I will help you on purchasing a puppy if it´s possible.
 
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Thanks again, Selena! :D Does it say anywhere how old this dog is? How much time do I have left? I kind of have a full house right now :wink: . Maybe someone would co-own one with me...Greg? Tim? :wink:
 

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Mike I only see x MH? If dad is a MH and mum a xMH, the pups will not have a pedigree.
 

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Jenni Williams said:
Thanks again, Selena! :D Does it say anywhere how old this dog is? How much time do I have left? I kind of have a full house right now :wink: . Maybe someone would co-own one with me...Greg? Tim? :wink:
about 5 or 6 I guess..time enough..
 

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jenni, if you can't get people to takes bites with your dog, what makes you think you'll be able to find somebody to take them from one of this guy's little monsters? :eek:
 

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Selena van Leeuwen said:
Mike I only see x MH? If dad is a MH and mum a xMH, the pups will not have a pedigree.
It's not listed in Fonske's direct listing. Go to bloedlijnen.nl.....

Fonske II's great great grandfather on the fathers side is Iwan (Dhr. Chr. van Thiel Oploo), if you look up that dog, you will see that HIS great grandfather is a duitse herder/x mechelse herder.

Now if you look up Nero (Dhr. B. Jansen Venray), he is the great great grandfather on the fathers mothers side (lol so confusing), in Nero's pedigree you will see Nopi 'Cabil' (Dhr. H.J. Lennertz NHSB 328394) bred to Dori 'Myrza' (Dhr. J. Basstra Kerkrade) who are both Mechelaars, but their daughter Sonja is listed as an XMH.

I'm getting a headache figuring out where everyone is in relation to eachother, it doesn't really matter, a working dog is a working dog, but those colors have to come from somewhere, I am sure there is some HH in there somewhere, there has to be, the pedigree listing is a confusing mess LOL.
 
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