[Andy Andrews]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN06J_VjPD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhPTS3_OLz8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYDsawtTIA0


I'm a newb so I can't say much for the training, but I will say that's one big ol' nasty sack of fur that I'd never want to tangle with.

Anyone have an opinion of the training? How about the breed in general? Anyone know who, if anyone, is using these dogs for PPD here in the U.S.?


Andy.

 

[Woody Taylor]

Neat dogs. Keep your insurance premiums up to date.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

These dogs are a huge liability. And in case anyone wonders, they are not supposed to stay on a bite, but move around like that.

 

[Woody Taylor]

These dogs are a huge liability. And in case anyone wonders, they are not supposed to stay on a bite, but move around like that.

Must make life interesting for the decoy.

 

[Andy Andrews]

Liability? Are you speaking in terms of inherent instability within the breed, or along the lines of being too much dog for most people?


Andy.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

They are territorial, and not bred for a forgiving of a trespass temp. If you get bit in Russia, there is no suing. I know a Russian who went and got one. The dog is huge, and he cannot control it. It was unbelievably territorial at 7 months, and large enough to back it up. I know BS in a dog when I see it, and there wasn't any there. If I had gotten close enough I would have gotten bit. I decided not to deal with this dog, or this guy. Good times!!!!

 

[Woody Taylor]

Jeff, just wondering...that bite behavior they do show...it's just all focused on driving off, right? All defense, but more specifically, driving threats off instead of killing them?

 

[Guest]

I've seen sled dogs bite better than this, it's a joke right ??

 

[Woody Taylor]

They are territorial, and not bred for a forgiving of a trespass temp. If you get bit in Russia, there is no suing. I know a Russian who went and got one. The dog is huge, and he cannot control it. It was unbelievably territorial at 7 months, and large enough to back it up. I know BS in a dog when I see it, and there wasn't any there. If I had gotten close enough I would have gotten bit. I decided not to deal with this dog, or this guy. Good times!!!!

I will never forget that Designer Dogs show on National Geographic with that 125 lb. (extremely paranoid) guy with the 200 lb. CO. He kept that thing in a fenced room inside his house, that dog dragged him around where ever it wanted to go. Absolutely no control over that thing. I would kill that dog if I were a neighbor. It was frightening as hell to think about something like that being around my kids.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

These dogs are raised completely different than what we do here. The Russian system is completely different. They do not value a solid bite like we do.

 

[Andy Andrews]

Jeff, is that a good or bad thing?


Andy.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

I think that with a dog that size it really doesn't matter.

Personally, with the way our laws get excedingly rediculous, we cannot afford to train a dog like this. I also don't care about the full calm grip crap we are always reading about to begin with. Sissy dogs in my opinion :lol: :lol:

 

[Woody Taylor]

Again, I always thought that bite behavior was as much instinct as anything else. I thought their deal was to drive off stuff, not pin it down and kill it.

 

[Andy Andrews]

Not sure I've ever said this before, Jeff, but I like the way you think!

Thanks for the input.


Andy.

 

[Woody Taylor]

Personally, with the way our laws get excedingly rediculous, we cannot afford to train a dog like this. I also don't care about the full calm grip crap we are always reading about to begin with. Sissy dogs in my opinion :lol: :lol:

Huh?

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

OK Woody, I will type slowly cause I know you don't read that fast.

The dog in the video bites and rebites in different areas for apparently no reason whatsoever. That would not be so good to have the Po-Po show up and the perp has like 30 bites all over his body.

And, no, I don't care about a full calm grip. I figured that BS out years ago. If they have it, fine, if they don't, fine. I am looking for other things.

 

[susan tuck]

I always enjoy watching the off breeds. Seems to be a rather shallow bite, & maybe because of that, comes off the sleeve rather fast, but I'm guessing it wouldn't matter in a real life situation with these big scarey dogs.

 

[Woody Taylor]

No, my point was is that the dog resetting like that was not, to my understanding, trained behavior. It was instinctual.

Then why the hell did you have me petting Buko when he was on me? :lol:

Edited to say I'm just kidding. About Buko. Not about the Ovcharka bites.

 

[Jeff Oehlsen]

Petting a dog that does MR is a good thing. Petting a crazy Russian trained C.O. is probably not a good idea. Ever see their bitesuits???

 

[Greg Long]

(quote0I always thought that bite behavior was as much instinct as anything else. I thought their deal was to drive off stuff, not pin it down and kill it.{quote}


Make no mistake about it,a dog biting this way can kill.They will stay longer on the bite as the fight goes on.

If you come across one of these dogs you better have your .45 :wink: .