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So I'm teaching him (finally got around to it) food aversion.
So first, a LONG down-stay

Next I'll show him that he is NOT to touch that treat!!

So next, I'll put a little piece on his paw and step back, still telling him to leave it.

Startting to get the hang of it now. Look at the complete ignorance!

This shot looks close, but I was about 15ft away. He's pretty much got it down.

Next step: get some pics of him ignoring it out on a walk, and then a big test of by himself (getting spied on though!!)
 

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err thats what i meant... dont ask i must've not had very good sleep that night
 

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He has self-discipline, for sure! Very impressive!

I'm just curious: What's the reason for training him to ignore food you have placed? Is it to teach that food has to go right from your hand to his mouth?
 

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I don't want a dog that hesitates for their food, I want mindless clamoring from a puppy until they are told to sit, n if they don't sit n continue to reach for the food I will block their access by hand, if I have food in my fist I want my dog to do anything possible to get that food outta my hand, dig their nose between my fingers, paw at my hand, whatever it takes. I really don't understand the purpose of teaching a puppy that if I put food down he can't eat it until I say so... do you reward with the food you are making him avoid? Are you trying to poison proof here? When I teach the dog, food does not come from my hand, it gets put between the dogs legs so they don't try to get up and break their down, so wouldn't this training be counter productive to teaching obedience with food? Or do you not do that?

Please explain your reasoning behind teaching this, I'm curious.
 

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It's respect, at least in my case. I taught Jak from day one that he was NOT to act like an idiot at mealtime, trying to jump up and take the food from the bowl before I'd set it down, or knocking it out of my hand AS I set it down, or knocking me out of the way once it was down, in order to eat. I taught him to sit and stay seated until I put the bowl down and released him. It's just respect. It has NOT affected his food drive or training with food in any way, and if I don't command him to sit, he will still try and get the food out of the bowl before I get it put down. He knows, though, that if he doesn't sit when told, and stay there until released, he doesn't get to eat. He learned this in just a few days. He DOES run around like a maniac when he sees me with the bowl, but he does not try to get at it until I tell him it's okay.

I've not done what Sarah did with Carbon with Jak, though. For me it has no purpose; telling him to leave a treat until I tell him he can get it, that is. It would be a good starting point for teaching him to flip a treat off his nose and catch it in midair, though. :lol:
 

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Ditto and ditto, Kristen.

Food is given after the correct behavior has been followed.

Treats are rewards for wanted performance, for me, and a treat from my hand has no "no" quality attached to it. It's all positive, since it's a reward.
 

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I don't want my dog to instantly gobble anything that smells like food. I let him be a puppy and gobble his food as soon as it was set down, however the 6 month mark is a turning point. More serious obedience and respect training comes into play. He is now expected to sit and wait patiently until I set his food down and tell him he can eat. I'll even grab a carrot stick and eat it before I let him eat. I don't care how hungry he is, he eats when I tell him to eat and he is not allowed to eat anything that I haven't authorized.
I'm not teaching him that food is bad, but it's bad to eat when I haven't given the ok. In ASR, they have food drops that the dog must avoid. Might as well start now.
As far as treating during obedience, I use different treats for the reward on obedience. These are Nutro Ultra Puppy biscuits that are usually stuck in kongs for chewing, my obedience treats are freeze dried liver/chicken (sometimes lamb, if I can find it). Carbon knows he can take something out of my hand (nicely) when I give it to him, but he is not allowed to take a treat from anyone else no matter if it's from their hand or they drop it on the ground for him. Only if I authorize him to eat it is he allowed to eat.
 

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Sarah Hall said:
....He is now expected to sit and wait patiently until I set his food down and tell him he can eat..... he eats when I tell him to eat and he is not allowed to eat anything that I haven't authorized........
I have all this in place too. I guess my view was that if it came from my hand, then it was his authorized treat.
 

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Connie Sutherland said:
Sarah Hall said:
....He is now expected to sit and wait patiently until I set his food down and tell him he can eat..... he eats when I tell him to eat and he is not allowed to eat anything that I haven't authorized........
I have all this in place too. I guess my view was that if it came from my hand, then it was his authorized treat.
Which is not to say I'm unimpressed. I am impressed!
 

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For those that only let their dog accept food from yourself do you have any problems if you have to board your dog or the dog has to be fed by someone else?
I'm kinda like Mike - I like to see lots of enthusiasm for the food and as long as they don't act like total dinks, it's ok. I have a couple that I make sit briefly but more so I can get the bowl down without wearing it.
 

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Lynn Cheffins said:
For those that only let their dog accept food from yourself do you have any problems if you have to board your dog or the dog has to be fed by someone else?
I'm kinda like Mike - I like to see lots of enthusiasm for the food and as long as they don't act like total dinks, it's ok. I have a couple that I make sit briefly but more so I can get the bowl down without wearing it.
I don't have a problem with my dog-sitter when I have to travel, because she comes over in advance and the dogs are given permission to eat food from her.
 
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