[Hil Harrison]

Now I want to know :lol: :lol: I have heard so many different storys about this subject especially here in Holland

You get unwanted visitors to your house, your dog who is an actively trained dog in de sport or a PPD.....what happens if they go for the unwanted visitor? Do they get the rap because they are trained dogs and should'nt bite? or are they allowed to bite anyone who comes over the doorstep because then we are talking entering a house when not wanted?

I heard someone tell me here.........\" for god sake dont let your dogs bite any unwanted visitors ( unwanted visitors I mean breaking and entering ) because your dogs will cop out because they are active sport biting dogs\".

Whats true and whats not? Selena can you help me out here?

What are the rules there in the states? Is this exagerated or not? Is it different to here?

Its not that I have many unwanted visitors but I never know who I might get on my doorstep :? I have had a few guys intimidating me already because of the work I do. I'm not liked :lol: hard to believe eh such a nice funny uk/dutchy mix :lol: :lol:

 

[Guest]

We like you, Hil! I always get nervous when too many people start liking me 8) . I think you have to be careful for some of the same reasons Al and others stated in the bitework thread, but if it's a break-in, and the bite occurs on your property (in your house) you have a better chance of not being sued. In some states this is a gray area, though. :?

 

[Hil Harrison]

Thats what I was afraid of

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

In my county here in Florida (I think the whole state) the statutes basically say that if your dog bites while being provoked or by an intruder trespassing on your property, the dog, trained or not, is allowed to bite and is considered justifiable. What really happens as far as a legal PROCESS I don't know, never happened to me before. However, from what I understand of the Florida statutes, a dog that bites is not automatically put down, rather the dog is classified as a \"dangerous dog\" and suitable accomodations for the dog become legally required. The dog must forever be confined in certain conditions as set forth by the Florida statutes.

Every state, and probably most counties, have their own set of laws on what they want to do with a dog that bites, and I'm sure that even though the statutes in Florida are pretty straight forward, if the situation ever really did happen, there'd probably be a whole legal process you need to go thru, perhaps quarantine of your dog may be involved, I don't know. But I'm sure it'd cost alot on hiring a lawyer to protect your dog.... I guess all the hassle is worth it in the end if the dog saved your life, but I personally feel that a dog is more of a deterrent than a security measure, if someone is prepared to come into your house with a barking german shepherd (or dutch shepherd or malinois or any other large aggressive dog) at the door, then you have bigger problems to worry about and should probably own a gun

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

In Holland it is punishable (civil or strafrechterlijk)...very strange but true, if you bang a burglar on his head while he´s breaking in YOUR house, you´re punishable too.... :roll:

 

[Hil Harrison]

In Holland it is punishable (civil or strafrechterlijk)...very strange but true, if you bang a burglar on his head while he´s breaking in YOUR house, you´re punishable too.... :roll:

crazy rules, and yes thats what I was afraid of that it would be the answer. Well least I know for sure now. Thanks Selena!

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

In Holland it is punishable (civil or strafrechterlijk)...very strange but true, if you bang a burglar on his head while he´s breaking in YOUR house, you´re punishable too.... :roll:

So do people not use their dogs to protect themselves? If that's the law, then why is protection training your dog so popular? Is it all just for sport?

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

yep...only police handlers may use their dog (on some strict rules), rest is all sport.

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

In a way that's good -- then all the people who keep whining about \"oh that dog won't bite for real\", \"oh that dog's not gonna really bite if someone comes into your house\" can shut up because their dog doesn't need to bite anyway But I don't like laws that protect criminals.

So, because of the laws, does this make having a dog a less effective deterrent? Here if someone sees a german shepherd barking in the window, the chances are they will break into the neighbors house who has no dog... but if it's illegal for the dog to defend the house in Holland, does this lessen the effect of owning a big dog? Will people intentionally break into a house that has a dog knowing that they can be compensated by insurance companies if the dog bites them?

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

no a big dog barking prevents burglars.

 

[Julia Tompson]

Here in Maine they say it is better not to use a \"Beware of dog\" sign on your property because if someone breaks in and is bitten then they can argue that you knew you had a dangerous dog and acknowledged it by posting a sign.

But I haven't actually had it happen to me… It’s what I have been told.

I think... laws in general are geared to protect the criminal. Sad but true, which is why I think the bark and hold is just as useful if not more practical and less of a liability then the actual bite. There is nothing more intimidating then a dog that shows off his dental work while staring you down.

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

We have a artikel 461 sign on our porch. art. 461 in dutch law is a forbidden for trespasser regulation. You might can get away with it if the dogs bites, but our dogs bite so heavy it get a little bit more complicated.

 

[Julia Tompson]

I don't think the trespassing signs offer any legal protection here in Maine... I don't know what other states are like. We own a large piece of land that has trails all through it and a pond and is used by fishers, snowmobilers, and hunters. We posted no trespassing signs all over it because we didn't want some little kids drowning in the pond or a 4 wheeler getting hurt and suing us. My lawyer said it would probably make no difference from a liability standpoint and that just plain sucks. :evil:

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

well my backyard is about 15 x 15 m (and that´s big in a city like ours) so there will no difficulties there :wink:

 

[Mike Schoonbrood]

well my backyard is about 15 x 15 m (and that´s big in a city like ours) so there will no difficulties there :wink:

What do you do to exercise all your dogs?

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

train 3 times a week, rest of the week is restperiod. No extra walks, no biclying, no nothing..serious training is taking enough energy..

 

[Hil Harrison]

train 3 times a week, rest of the week is restperiod. No extra walks, no biclying, no nothing..serious training is taking enough energy..

how long is the training there Selena?

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

monday and wednesday 19-22, ob for each dog approx 30 min, biting also. Saturday 11-17.

 

[Hil Harrison]

monday and wednesday 19-22, ob for each dog approx 30 min, biting also. Saturday 11-17.

Ok great thanks, might leg it down there one Saturday and come see what you guys do :wink:

 

[Selena van Leeuwen]

call me in front will you, days changes some times due workingtimes etc. You´re welcome!