SchH is HUGE, I meet people all the time who know about Schutzhund, not even dog people, I went to a car dealer n the sales lady was telling me about her Schutzhund malinois!!! Schutzhund is a competitive sport, titles are known by everyone who knows anything about GSD's. ASR is small, and its title is only valued by people "in the know", if someone doesn't know about Schutzhund, then they wouldn't value a Schutzhund title either right? But to someone who knows and understands what is involved in ASR, an ASR title is held in high regard. However, ASR isn't really a competitive sport, it's more of a test to test your dogs training and see if your dogs do what they are supposed to do, rather than a bragging right.
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Al, my schutzhund expierience doesn't go back very far but the real long timers I've talk to have always commented about Schutzhund being a serious test of the dogs character and working abilty. That was it's original purpose, not sport.
Many top level helpers will tell about how different levels of pressure are used for club dogs, national level dogs, SV dogs, etc. If it's a test, as it should be, then all dogs should be put under the same pressures.
As in all sports, winning points is the name of the game. The comment has also been made that many of the truely tough dogs of old would/could never be high scoreing dogs by today's rules. That doesn't mean that there aren't serious dogs in the sport today. It just favors the flashy dogs more so.
Over the years, the attack out of the blind, object guard, gunfire on the sleeve and other exercises have been eiminated.
Again, I defer to the "real" oldtimes to comment on these things.
In the early 90s, the BH was initiated. One of the reasons for that was to eliminate dogs of "unstable" temperment. Although I see the good in having the BH, it was more for political correctness the a help to the dogs. It can eliminate many very serious dogs that wont allow all the social contact. How social does a true working dog have to be? This is all JMHO! Not based on tons expierience.
Hopefully, some of the 'real" oldtimers here can give more insight.......without totally trashing Schutzhund.
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Many top level helpers will tell about how different levels of pressure are used for club dogs, national level dogs, SV dogs, etc. If it's a test, as it should be, then all dogs should be put under the same pressures.
As in all sports, winning points is the name of the game. The comment has also been made that many of the truely tough dogs of old would/could never be high scoreing dogs by today's rules. That doesn't mean that there aren't serious dogs in the sport today. It just favors the flashy dogs more so.
Over the years, the attack out of the blind, object guard, gunfire on the sleeve and other exercises have been eiminated.
Again, I defer to the "real" oldtimes to comment on these things.
In the early 90s, the BH was initiated. One of the reasons for that was to eliminate dogs of "unstable" temperment. Although I see the good in having the BH, it was more for political correctness the a help to the dogs. It can eliminate many very serious dogs that wont allow all the social contact. How social does a true working dog have to be? This is all JMHO! Not based on tons expierience.
Hopefully, some of the 'real" oldtimers here can give more insight.......without totally trashing Schutzhund.
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Jerry, thanks. I did plan on training Schutzhund style tracking and obedience first. Charlotte agreed that would be best, since ASR is not really as 'strict' as Schutzhund in those two aspects. I will need some help, though. I *can* train for obedience, but I don't know how to get the flashiness that Schutzhund demands...all of my obedience training has just been for practical, everyday use. I very much appreciate any and all help I can get! I printed out the tracking articles off of Schutzhund Village, and I think I should be able to get started fairly easily, but I don't want to until I've at least talked to someone in person that has trained it and can show me exactly what all I should do and expect to see from Jak. I'm a very visual person; I can *usually* do okay with written directions as long as they are detailed, but I'd rather be shown in person.
That's all I need and I'll be there!
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