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Old 11-14-2015, 08:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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IPO, PSA, French ring?

Hello,

Can someone tell me what the general differences are between IPO, PSA, and French ring? What do you do with your dogs? What do you prefer? Why?

I have a baby Beauceron and I'm looking for more sports to get involved with him other than obedience and conformation. We've been to a few herding trials and it's definitely something I would like to pursue once he's older, but I'm interested in the protection sports as well and would like some more information about them.

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Old 11-14-2015, 09:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: IPO, PSA, French ring?

The differences are probably too numerous to mention here, but I think the first step is to look at the websites for each and see which clubs are in your area. That may help narrow it down because it is very hard to train in any of these without a good club.

These are the ones for IPO:
http://www.germanshepherddog.com/
http://dvgamerica.com/
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Re: IPO, PSA, French ring?

I am not as familiar with the others but I believe these are the websites:

http://psak9.org/

http://www.ringsport.org/

http://www.usmondioring.org/
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Old 11-15-2015, 11:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I am not as familiar with the others but I believe these are the websites:

http://psak9.org/

http://www.ringsport.org/

http://www.usmondioring.org/
Thank you, Claire! I'm going to go watch an IPO trial in a couple weeks to get a better idea what's involved and talk to people that I'm sure will be able to give me more information on it.

I'm not sure if he even has the drive for it, but what age would you normally start these kind of sports? I don't want to put too much stress on his joints if this is something that I decide to do with him.
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Re: IPO, PSA, French ring?

http://dantero.com/a-comparison-of-s...d-french-ring/
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Thank you for the link! Great info.
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Re: IPO, PSA, French ring?

IMO, IPO is a test of training skill of handler, more of a test of handler and how he can train a dog than test of dog's nerve, if you can take a dog to IPO 3, odds are you are a pretty good trainer in all phases, tracking, ob, bite work. FR goes into the finer points of techniques for both dogs and decoys, testing dog's drive and techniques. PSA is a test of dog's nerve and handling skill and control. I do PSA because I like the challenge of surprised scenarios in the upper level, you don't know what they are going to throw at you to test your dog, so you better trained for everything.
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: IPO, PSA, French ring?

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I'm going to go watch an IPO trial in a couple weeks to get a better idea what's involved and talk to people that I'm sure will be able to give me more information on it.
Watching a trial is fine, but what you really need to do is get to a club. It is the training that makes or breaks you and the dog.

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I'm not sure if he even has the drive for it
What breed is yours? In reality doing any of these sports require a suitable dog. Even dogs with the common breeds for these sports may or may not be suitable even some in the same litter it is pretty specific.

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but what age would you normally start these kind of sports?
I start environmental exposure in the whelping box. As well as shaping exercises as young as 7 weeks. The longer you wait the more harder it becomes to follow the path to success. Age appropriate work, of course.

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I don't want to put too much stress on his joints if this is something that I decide to do with him.
Nothing is without risk. That's the name of the game in any of the contact high end dog sports, if you are really worried take up a non contact - non jump sport like Rally-O or scentwork.
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We've been to a few herding trials and it's definitely something I would like to pursue once he's older, but I'm interested in the protection sports as well and would like some more information about them.

Thanks!
You've gotten good links/info already, so I just want to comment on the above. If you plan to do both herding and protection sports, get a solid foundation in the protection sport(s) BEFORE you start herding. Not only will the control work you do in protection sports help you later in herding, but the way many people start a herding dog (using a stick as a control/discipline device) can cause issues for the protection sports if you start those second. I've done both with a LOT of dogs, and never had a problem if I went from protection to herding, but I have had problems going the other direction.
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Old 11-18-2015, 10:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: IPO, PSA, French ring?

Ditto with Kadi!

My SchIII GSD was a natural gathering dog in herding and the control learned in Sch was huge.
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