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Old 12-16-2015, 09:13 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

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I'll bet most dogs would love to get their teeth in those gloves.

Better the gloves than my hands!

With my male it's not the bites or him targeting my hand it is the unintentional bumps with the teeth that slip in between those finger joints, it's like hitting your funny bone, hurts like hell .. but I ain't laughing .. only when it happens to others.

When it happens to others, I laugh sorta like this ..

https://youtu.be/rX7wtNOkuHo
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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TO ME I think the dog has to learn to avoid teeth on skin.

Many dogs will just up their game when they hit something other then skin.

They get no reaction so hit harder.

Makes it worse when the gloves come off then.
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Old 12-17-2015, 02:58 AM   #23 (permalink)
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.... "TO ME I think the dog has to learn to avoid teeth on skin.
Many dogs will just up their game when they hit something other then skin.
They get no reaction so hit harder.
Makes it worse when the gloves come off then."

sorry, i don't get what you're saying here. can you explain this further ?
what kind of dog situation(s) are you talking about and what kind of training ?
are you talking about bites to the hand and not recommending gloves ?
- what do you mean by "up their game" ??

are any of these scenarios what you are referring to ?
1. hard biting dog that misses a (poor) tug presentation and gets a bare hand ?
2. dog with live biting problems ?
3. social dog but excess "mouthiness" to hands ?
4. doing helper work and getting bit ?
4. none of the above ?
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Old 12-17-2015, 08:22 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Sorry Bob I disagree maybe it is just that your GSDs are not Malinois. I've learned to suck it up basically learning to take a punch without feeling the need to retaliate. More so for the greater good of the dog's performance. I don't have the reflexes of a chimpanzee to get out of the way, and the gloves helped me to put my dog's performance before my own physical comfort. Gloves on gloves off he isn't hitting my hands on purpose I'm just to slow for him and I won't sacrifice that living with chaos and danger that training a dog like this is, there is a lot bigger battles to fight. Why fight a battle that you don't have to?
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Old 12-17-2015, 11:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Rick, for the most part I'm talking about a pup or untrained dog.

I personally don't allow my dogs to put their teeth hard on my skin.

If that happens then the game stops for a half min or so.

I think it's simply a targeting issue so no pressure as to punishment or correction is involved.

When puppies play together their bite is controlled by the response of the other puppy.

Bite to hard and one of two things may happen.

The pup being bitten will either bite back or quit the game and the first pup looses.

I wont physically correct a pup for its teeth on me unless its real aggression but I will quit the game for a very short time.

By the time those super sharp puppy teeth are out these things are often pretty much settled in a litter.

Geoff, I still think it comes down to a targeting issue and that's a training issue.

I've had two Mals. I didn't have them long because I didn't like the environmental issues I saw.

What I didn't see was any obvious different from my GSDs in how they used their teeth.

Contact with teeth on skin wasn't allowed.

I DO realize not all Mals have these issues but I've seen it to often to want another one.

I've had half a dozen different terrier breeds and I believe they can match and often beat any Mal.

Maybe not in size but for speed, agility and use of their teeth yes.

I played hard and rough with all of them including lots of tug with them all the time and not allowing their teeth on me had absolutely no bearing on their willingness to bite and finish quarry.

Same with my GSDs or the two Mals.

They all had a very energetic willingness to go after a sleeve.

FOR ME it's still a targeting issue and that's developed when they are young.
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Old 12-18-2015, 04:05 AM   #26 (permalink)
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hope the OP stays in touch, joins the forum and reports progress or further problems

hope some details are provided
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:25 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Always the problem with someone new and I always wonder if we ran them off, overload their brain or they just aren't really interested in putting in the work.
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:36 AM   #28 (permalink)
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seen a lot of tugs, but i've never seen a burlap tug
anyone have a picture ?

maybe jute and he doesn't know the correct name for it

i use burlap on top of my compost pile
it's also nice for interior decorating

but any dog with a decent grip would destroy burlap in a heart beat
-- especially a frustrated 'almost' police dog that has to be backtied to remove tugs from its grip

i'll give anyone a second chance but i'm not in to spoon feeding
same way i evaluate prospective owners
i will give 110% effort to ANY motivated owner, but if they aren't serious i'd rather they run the first day //lol//

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Old 12-19-2015, 08:46 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Rick burlap bags are used for dry grains, and sometimes potatoes. I have a couple from rice bags that I use for placement mats. They work well with starting puppies. Just they don't really have a lot of meat to them hence why the 'freeze up and wait' technique doesn't really work well unless you choke up on the item.
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Old 12-19-2015, 11:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Before one of my brothers-in-law retired he owned and ran a bean sprout business and all the seed came in bags like that.

I tried using them rolled up but as you said "they don't have much meat".

Fact is they get shredded almost immediately with a grown dog.
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