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Old 12-13-2015, 10:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

I actually taught my dog the "out" by using two tennis balls. When I threw the second one, she would drop the first one. When I do out with the tug, I do hold it still like ME says and it works well.
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Old 12-13-2015, 10:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

Lots of folks have had excellent success with using two balls for the out. It works!

My only issue with it is you then have to teach the dog to bring the ball to hand thus the back chaining.

Many methods to get to one objective but that's what this forum is about.
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Old 12-14-2015, 01:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

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Burlap and leather tugs.
Both of these are not the greatest for teaching an out, because as you've found out the dog can animate the item and get satisfaction from it. So the freezing of the tug is actually not freezing the tug unless you choke up on it. Which in turns put you at risk to get bit in the hands by accident. When I work a dog where this is a possibility I use these types of mechanix gloves to protect myself. http://www.mechanixwear.ca/safety/m-pact-cr5
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:20 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Both of these are not the greatest for teaching an out, because as you've found out the dog can animate the item and get satisfaction from it. So the freezing of the tug is actually not freezing the tug unless you choke up on it. Which in turns put you at risk to get bit in the hands by accident. When I work a dog where this is a possibility I use these types of mechanix gloves to protect myself. http://www.mechanixwear.ca/safety/m-pact-cr5

I'll bet most dogs would love to get their teeth in those gloves.
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

i use HexArmor Rig Lizard gloves and really like them

they have an extra piece of padding in a spot between the thumb and first finger where i have been nailed a few times

and they make a winter version which is nice when it gets nippy

some of our mwd handlers have tried them and like them too
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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My suggestion would be to just wait out the dog.

Lock up your body and keep the tug inactive.

It may take a bit but the dog WILL get bored with no action from the tug.
I love this piece of advice. It does work well.
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Old 12-15-2015, 08:04 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

Great for sport dogs. Not so much for police dogs.
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Old 12-15-2015, 11:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Great for sport dogs. Not so much for police dogs.

Absolutely! I don't think you want a K9 outing for no other reason then the bad guy stopped fighting.

The lockup can easily be weaned off of though. If the dog lets go before a command OR a lift off then the training "bad guy" gets in free hits on the dog.

The good dogs figure that out pretty quick.

I still completely understand why training sport vs real world can be so different.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:15 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

i always thought a lock up to teach an out or make it easier for the dog to out should only be used in the early training phases and never again once the dog has become reliable. but at that point i would still use a lock up to PROOF the dog and correct it if it outed when the grip object went dead

proofing is where back pressure and other pressure (stick hits, flanking, etc) should be applied

for me, NO behavior is trained until it is proofed
for me, proofing is setting the dog up to fail

at least that's what i thought
please correct me if i'm wrong
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

to be more precise :
proofing is setting the dog up to fail ... to ensure it won't
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