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Old 12-11-2015, 02:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is the best way to teachable obsessive dog to out a tug? He knows the command he will out then I give him a re bite and he will hold on for dear life
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What is the best way to teachable obsessive dog to out a tug? He knows the command he will out then I give him a re bite and he will hold on for dear life
if he outs once why does he not out again? that is the question..??? what is different in the dogs mind? from one to two?

i have further info (or confusion) if you answer the question..

as i have worked alot of dogs very few with this issue from perfect first out to non-existent second out..is the first out that perfect???
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

My suggestion would be to just wait out the dog.

Lock up your body and keep the tug inactive.

It may take a bit but the dog WILL get bored with no action from the tug.

I've seen it work on bite dogs that had extreme out issues.

Also, are you stopping the game after you get that second out back?

Keep going!

He may be looking at that second out as your taking it away.

Do you use markers?

That will teach him there is a reward for doing whatever you ask.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Out command

re : "What is the best way to teachable obsessive dog to out a tug?"
- do you mean "what is the best way to teach an obsessive dog to out a tug" ?
.....what is 'obsessive' in relation to outing ? do you mean possessive ?
-- why do you think is he obsessive ?

"He knows the command he will out then I give him a re bite and he will hold on for dear life"
- how do you know he knows the command if he doesn't respond to the command ?

first post here ??
-- why not join and tell us about you and your dog ? if you gave some decent detailed background you could get a decent response. MANY members here know how to teach an out....in a variety of ways

as Joby said....not a usual behavior sequence for any dog but easy to create out problems when you have no consistent plan to teach it in the first place. that will be my assessment until you provide some detailed background on how you got to where you are now and make this a two way conversation

i'll stop here before i get sarcastic and make you defensive //LOL//
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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My suggestion would be to just wait out the dog.

Lock up your body and keep the tug inactive.

It may take a bit but the dog WILL get bored with no action from the tug.

I've seen it work on bite dogs that had extreme out issues.

Also, are you stopping the game after you get that second out back?

Keep going!

He may be looking at that second out as your taking it away.

Do you use markers?

That will teach him there is a reward for doing whatever you ask.
I do use markers, from what I have noticed he most likely thinks the game will end once he outs the second time. He is a year and half old mal/shepherd mix. He was suppose to be a patrol dog but that didn't work out for him due to the department closing. I know he knows the command because he picks and chooses when to out the tug. I sometimes have to back tie him to get him to out the tug. I have tried the waiting game but he is content with the little bit of budge he gets from pulling on the tug when I emobolize the toy.
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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for me, when a dog really knows a verbal command, they respond without giving it a thought. there is NO" mental" deliberation going on in the dog's head. it is easy to see a dog do this if you ever have a chance to be around a very well trained dog

reminds me of a thread not so far back ....

when you ask people when they should start giving corrections to a dog, usually the quick answer is "when they know the command"
- such an easy answer
- then the thread ran out of gas out rather quickly ....

not that any of this really matters, but made me wonder when you started using a verbal with the way you use your marker system
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Re: Out command

My friend had a very hard MalxGSD with the same issue. He gave the dog a long sausage tug and let him have it on a casual mile long walk. Every time the dog dropped the tug he forced him to carry it. Near the end of the walk when he saw the dog start to drop the tug he's give and out command, praise the dog, then played tug with him. Dog outed the tug very reliably after that. Now, it was hot and the dog was gassed which I think helped him a lot at the time.
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I do use markers, from what I have noticed he most likely thinks the game will end once he outs the second time. He is a year and half old mal/shepherd mix. He was suppose to be a patrol dog but that didn't work out for him due to the department closing. I know he knows the command because he picks and chooses when to out the tug. I sometimes have to back tie him to get him to out the tug. I have tried the waiting game but he is content with the little bit of budge he gets from pulling on the tug when I emobolize the toy.
Yeah he is associating the 2nd out with the game ending so you need to find a way to change that mindset up. Have you tried to kneel down and put both knees on the tug so he can't tug himself to remove that satisfaction?

I'd try to 2 ball him as well, but up it to another toy/tug change it up make it exciting for him to out as he will always wonder what he will get from you. Never end on 2 anymore maybe 1 or 3, 5 or 6 but not 2. Plus never leave him with nothing even when you end it trade whatever item you've been playing with for some kibble it has to be something. It's linear behaviour shaping by giving the dog what it thinks it wants, in the end we are just tricking the dog into changing its mindset.
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Old 12-13-2015, 12:04 AM   #9 (permalink)
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you didn't say what kind of tug(s) you use, but i assume you know a longer, harder tug is easier to freeze up than a felt stuffed french linen type...
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Old 12-13-2015, 05:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
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you didn't say what kind of tug(s) you use, but i assume you know a longer, harder tug is easier to freeze up than a felt stuffed french linen type...

Burlap and leather tugs.
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