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Old 11-28-2016, 09:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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From a practical point of view,hunting Kasbah before trialing her was an error.
Lots of test requirements are best learned without a different set of pre learned behavior that "hunting" in large non confined spaces where there may be miles instead of yards between birds.
Kasbah was also an unconventional choice in some ways as her background was 100% either VPG and or Police Service. See below
http://en.working-dog.eu/dogs-detail...om-Treffenwald

What became apparent to me there is a confluence of canine drives that at least in some lines of Airedales that can be channeled in what would seem very different venues.
There is a lot going on I'm still trying to understand.
Kas loves all my buddies,will grab them with her front paws for a hug.
This is the same dog at 11 months who explained to a guy pan handling my wife including grabbing her sleeve he needed toback off Pronto.
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:06 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I will add that ALL of the 6 different terrier breeds I've owned be they show, hunting, sport, whatever were expected to be good "truck dogs".

For ME this also applies to excellent manners around people and live stock.

Most were typical zany, off the wall terriers but it was never a problem keeping them under my control

Would any of them protect? All the terriers were excellent alarm dogs. A couple of them showed a strong desire to engage. One JRT actually went after a friend of my son because they were horsing around and son's friend was getting to rough.

The dog gripped the kid on the quad and son had to pry his dog off the kids leg.

As mentioned a Protection dog can cover a lot of meaning.

My SCH III GSD did a very nice job on the sport field.

Even as a 7 month old pup he attempted to go after a vagrant that approached my van in a parking lot.

I was sitting in a parking lot, in the front seat, door open when the vagrant walked up to the van and the dog came over the top of my lap snarling at the guy.

Would he have engaged?? Who knows but his helper and a few other helpers told me they liked his serious attitude.

He never allowed anyone near the car, the yard or house without me.

FOR ME that's all I ever required of a "protection dog". That and a CCW.

Most ANY dog can be taught to bite. It's the character of the dog and good training that keeps the dog in the fight.

As Ed does, I've always worked to have a dog that could be trained in multiple venues. I believe both the GSD and the Dale can fit that description in spades.

A few of my small terriers also fit the "Multiple venue"easily.
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Old 11-29-2016, 05:22 AM   #23 (permalink)
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From a practical point of view,hunting Kasbah before trialing her was an error.
At one time I had GWP and Pudelpointers and we trained and trialed NAVHDA. Everything required to pass the NAVHDA tests served us well and made them better hunting dogs in the field
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I can see that,the difference I believe is the nature of NAVHDA,that is focused on producing Hunting dogs from their early Hunting instinct tests and encouragement of field ability in more advanced tests and its influence on breeding.
Saw smiliar effects produced in Drahthaars from their registry.
Airedales in AKC are relegated to the Upland flushing test which is basically a spaniel test where the dog casts right and left in a tight pattern which is not a feasible method for large areas of cover.
Looking to do retriever stuff, but again AKC does not admit Airedales.:
We have HRC ( Hunt to retrive) and a few Airedales are doing reall well...hope to give it a shot.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:10 PM   #25 (permalink)
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It's the actual breed clubs that determine what is eligible to compete in the different venues.

I think they just don't want to be shown up by a "different" breed.

AKC herding is very structured but the AHBA is much more realistic and the dog doesn't get penalized for correct use of it's mouth.

GO FOR IT on the HRC!
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Old 11-30-2016, 11:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Last week brought a a friend,the Airedales really dig into dense cover that a lot of the big running "pointy" dogs avoid.

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Old 11-30-2016, 11:28 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Rougher coat, rougher attitude for going in the rough.

Ed, not sure if I've asked this before but do you run into any particular issues getting a soft mouth retrieve with the Dales?
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Old 12-01-2016, 06:53 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Pretty astute question,and it was the basis of flunking my first try at Master Hunter.
As I mentioned the birds in the test are dizzied so a hard driving dog will catch them on the ground or pull them out of the air as they take flight.
Kas brought the pheasant back as if it was sleeping,intact no blood but deceased.
To stop this I had her retrieve bumpers that were modified by my me to be unpleasant to squeeze tightly with command "Easy".
Initial duck water retrieves were worse,she thought of them as aquatic snacks.
Had to think about this, used a long line,with short retrieves and a collar jerk "NO" fixed it. An ecollar would have been easier but I worried it would just terminate the entire water retrieve.
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Old 12-01-2016, 11:14 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The "oldtime" retriever trainers would make a retriever dummy with nails pointing outwards.

My Kerry Blue hated feathers so much that he only retrieved birds by the beak or feet but he would shred anything with fur on it.

Embarrassing yes but I never even thought about trialing him. Just did it because.
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