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Old 03-09-2017, 08:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: what's a social butterfly ?

why i started this thread with 3 simple Q's
- i wanted to discuss the issue beyond what's already obvious

full rant will come later...still hoping some new members or lurkers might contribute since for me it's an issue that is all too common in the dog world

but for starters, here's a clip from my full response :
....."i define a social butterfly as a dog who wants to approach and interact with almost everyone it sees without showing any aggression in the process. what it 'wants’ from other people is only a PART of my definition; whether it's getting pets, begging for treats, getting handling, finding a backdrop for a body slam, finding a new face to lick, finding a ball tosser for a game of fetch….whatever."
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: what's a social butterfly ?

Rick, I can't comment on what I can't related to. My short answer is that I gave hand slut more thought than I did the notion of a dog = social butterfly parallel.

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Old 03-14-2017, 12:57 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: what's a social butterfly ?

I prefer a social butterfly as you can train it to see people as furniture if you want. I have three anti social asshats in my house, ranging from full asbo to ignorant prick. This is relating to people outside the majik circle.
My house dogs are all social butterflies which I like as it makes people visiting easier. All the dogs in my yard have been "socialized" in exactly the same way, I think it is very much genetic.
Tilly the doberman is an asshat, her full belly sister is a socially competent unit which would suggest it not being genetic but they don't have the same genes so who knows. I'm putting my money on genetic though as digga spent his first 7 weeks in a pig shed with no human contact other than the breeder old school style and Luna in a garage the same, both are socially and environmentally bomb proof, but both have the advantage of being bull types.
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Old 03-15-2017, 01:06 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: what's a social butterfly ?

I vote genetics!

I recall my doctor saying that given the enormous number of genes in the human body it's almost a miracle that brothers and sisters can look alike.

I'm one of seven kids.

We all have similar features yet have great differences in both looks and temperament/personalities.

My dad was one of 16 kids.

Everything from a priest to a murderer in there.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:25 AM   #15 (permalink)
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convinced it will only be the regulars posting so i'll post mine soon.
longest post i've made because i have strong feelings about the subject

more like a mini-novel
because i drafted a few versions and refined it to cover all the bases i felt needed to be covered
.....and because i can and i often look at things in my own weird ways //LOL//
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:28 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: what's a social butterfly ?

the main point that will probably get lost in the length is that i hate to evaluate any dog outside the context of its owner or handler

others don't, but that's just me
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:53 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Hahaha "hand slut"
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:20 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Khoi

most members will probably agree with you, so on second thought, i'll pass

the sarcasm and verbal abuse would crush me and i'd shut down for a few days ...rotflmao

this thread's a wrap for me
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: what's a social butterfly ?

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this term gets used a lot on here and usually it's considered something negative and NOT wanted.....for a 'working dog'

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1. what is your definition ?
2. how is it bad or good ?
3. is it (mostly) a trained behavior or genetic ? (i know it's usually a combo of both)
Personally, I think it's fine. It's just a dog that's more social, likes people. There are some social dogs that can really bring the heat when working. There are some anti-social dogs that do not love everybody that also work well and are very well-managed and trained. Some jobs may require or make more sense for one type or the other. Generally, I think a more social dog is just fine.

Is it good or bad? Not necessarily either. I like them, however I have seen more not-so-social dogs that I have also liked. If they are controllable and fit the handler's needs, it is good. Speaking in general terms, if the dog is solid and the handler is able to use it and channel the dog's energies, it makes no difference. There are probably exceptions. There are probably a good number of anti-social dogs (relatively speaking) that you would never know because they are genetically solid and well-trained to not react.

I think it is mostly genetic, with environmental factors influencing it (possibly greatly). I doubt you could make some hard ass civil working-line shepherd a social butterfly so much as train it to not destroy people invading its personal space.
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:32 AM   #20 (permalink)
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in closing, and just for the record, no dog that has been described in this thread fits my definition of a social butterfly and i was surprised that everyone felt its basically genetic
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