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Old 05-07-2015, 07:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Back in the 1970s, Golden Retrievers routinely lived until 16 and 17 years old, they are now living until 9 or 10 years old. Golden Retrievers die mostly of bone cancer, lymphoma and a cancer of the blood vessels more than any other breed

The Morris Animal Foundation has started a new $25-million study with thousands of Golden Retrievers enrolled! Owners and breeders are all awaiting important results so they can start focusing on specific characteristics when breeding the dogs.

They have said, because dogs of different breeds share more than 95% of their DNA, their researches will help improve all dog breeds, including German Shepherds and pretty much every purebred working dog.

What's your take on this?
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

This is the effect of a closed system of breeding bound by standards that do not allow the addition of new genetic material from outside the breeds. Also the genetic bottle neck created by the show ring.
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

25 million just to find out that dogs are being bred daily with nothing more then to feed the show/pet market.

Often there is little to no thought about health issues in the breed, any breed.

Little thought about keeping breeds functional. Even in "functional" lines, how many knowingly produce dogs with genetic health issues or refuse to cull those that show up in their lines?!

How can I get involved in that money making bs?
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Old 05-08-2015, 03:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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i read the study format

that mega buck study appears to simply be a daily diary kept by thousands of golden owners. documentation only. what they will do with all that data to try and connect the dots will be a challenge.
- plus; do the math....it's over 8000 dollars per owner

total waste

what the researchers might be forgetting is that in this "new age of social media", this data could be collected at NO cost on a free web site

but you would also have to figure in the dumb factor since who would know how accurate all that data would be since it is provided by thousands of different owners who might have a personal agenda in what they submit
- which would make it even more difficult to collate and validate

might have good intentions but i see nothing definitive coming out of this study. plus it's already been going on for three years and hasn't even gotten off the ground yet

did anyone look at the list of the studies by this group ?
- some are pretty bizarre in my opinion

i have NO expectations that ANY domestic dog breeds will ever get healthier and live longer. as soon as we make them a "breed" they go downhill.
- too many dogs are controlled manipulated and bred by too many stupid people
- the only animals we seem to breed efficiently are the ones we want on the dinner table.....but we have shown we can screw that up too
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

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This is the effect of a closed system of breeding bound by standards that do not allow the addition of new genetic material from outside the breeds. Also the genetic bottle neck created by the show ring.

Yep. Can't improve it by adding anything !!Lets get rid of anything thats not perfect, then we will be left with perfection!!..... When we can stop eliminating stuff.

All with the show ring in mind. The purpose seems to be a perfect illusion.
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

Thank Bob Barker and the spay and neuter crowd.
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

Very true, the base used for this study is weak. We pretty much rely on randoms instead of relying on scientists.
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

Bob Barker and the S/N crowd ??
- thank them for what ? decreasing the life expectancy of certain breeds ?

as far as i know, spaying and neutering doesn't weaken the genetic vitality of any breed. it prevents dogs from breeding

- what was your point ?? sorry, but i don't get it
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

The most inbred dog I ever owned lived to be 15, a GSD; he was born in 1985 My more recent working line dogs - total outcrosses - both died at 9 of hemangio. Honestly I think it is environmental.
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:09 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Life expectancy of certain dog breeds plummeting?

Are these statistics based on dogs in the U.S.? There is an epidemic of obesity in the U.S., which I believe translates to people's dogs very often. I have a friend who owns a pet crematory and he says he is seeing a majority of dogs brought in for cremation that are very overweight or obese. Related to obesity is a lack of exercise for many dogs.
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