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Old 02-03-2016, 12:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: 12 week old Mal nervousness stomach

Nicole's suggestion about the plain pumpkin is an excellent source of fiber and used by many for this very reason.
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Old 02-03-2016, 12:09 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Oh, and we don't exactly have "one on one" time. She gets plenty of cuddles and affection every night, especially after my son goes to bed, she's not allowed on the couch if he's on it because she doesn't play gently and he's too young to understand that hitting her and kicking her just excites her more be makes her rougher. But we're working on that on both ends.

We also spend about 5 minutes after every potty trip working on sit, down, and stand.

As far as the dominance, I feed our beagle first, and I let him in first or release him from a sit first to go through a door before I let her go, other than that I kind of let them figure it out. I figured at first she was running on TPL, but at this point Snoopy may just be too tired to fight with her shenanigans.


I really hugely appreciate all the help you guys have given so far. I was kind of thrust into the Mal life, but I'm trying to do what's best for her. She really is the sweetest pup, so much that I barely hold a grudge when I'm cleaning poop off of everything.
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Old 02-03-2016, 12:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: 12 week old Mal nervousness stomach

Is she still messing in the house?

If so one method of controlling that is to tether her to you.

That means keep her on leash and tie the other end of the leash around you.

No need for lots of commands. When you have to go into anther room just do it.

She'll have to follow and it also helps create a stronger bond when she with you.

In spite of your getting tossed into this it sounds like your heart is in it to wind up with a well mannered dog.

Do you understand marker training?

It's an excellent form of training and the dog can learn and have fun at the same time.
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Old 02-03-2016, 12:38 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: 12 week old Mal nervousness stomach

Anji, I worked with my pups on potty training in a manner that involved them sleeping on my bed. Well, all except the yard dart snipe (my dutch shepherd). I haven't found that it creates boundary issues but I imagine it can if there aren't clear boundaries set, as in that stops once the pup is able to sleep through the night without having to go out. Conversely, I found it's incredibly effective for a give and take relationship (this ties into what Bob asked about but sorta lets the pup control it in the opposite direction). As in the pup does something that I favorably respond to netting a positive experience and I'm also rewarded by there being few to no situations where I am cleaning up after the pup.

Usually by the third day the system is down and 7-10 days into it I'm pretty much done - to include the bell ringing. In between, if I am not doing something constructive with the pup I have them put up and I always make sure that I stick to an evening food and water schedule (cut off time) to help that out along with making sure that within 10-15 minutes of waking or after a meal the pup goes out.

I have done the tether thing and with the wrong situation (temperament of the dog) you can create a problem where the dog won't want to leave your side and can create dependency issues if not balanced out. It however does help with some aspects of training. My house training approach is simple and I don't deviate from it. It's been too successful so far for me to feel a need to stop or alter what I have done.

Also, Merrick was purchased by Purina somewhat recently. From what I understand they are not required to disclose a change of ingredients/processing until 6 months after the business transaction. I believe that the buyout occurred sometime during the summer. This was a food I recommended and fed until I learned about that.

One more thing, if the pup has to be alone for a prolonged period of time - as in while I am at work, I will feed the lesser quantity of food in the AM and the balance upon my return to work or, if I take the pup with me, during my work schedule. I'm sure you've figured this out but the feeding amounts don't have to be balanced. Hungry is not a bad thing at this age. I will leave the pup with something to chew on that does produce food at a slower rate - pups with lower food drive and weaker jaw strength can take and hour or more to eat a pig ear for example. A kong with kibble inside might be something else to offer instead of a full meal. This way she and her mind is occupied with something more productive than stress and resulting discharge.
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Old 02-03-2016, 09:52 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: 12 week old Mal nervousness stomach

?? i still haven't read how you PLAY with this pup and exercise it
- how are you socialising and how are you building confidence ? these can both be accomplished during play sessions
- EVERY nervy (but otherwise healthy) dog i’ve seen is both over-reactive and lacking in confidence

re:"Oh, and we don't exactly have "one on one" time.
--that's bad and won’t help

"She gets plenty of cuddles and affection every night,"
— in my opinion, that won't help build a lot of confidence...it might even border on coddling, which is not good either.
- i would do the opposite and PLAY vigorously and interactively. wear it out; which is not too hard to do with a pup.
**don't** cuddle til the pup is out of gas and ready to crash
- specifically, how are you trying to build its confidence ?

by the way….it’s a mal…it should have some prey drive, be mouthy and like to bite. what are you doing to cultivate and control those instincts ? being too restrictive regarding biting can be a confidence killer too

a poop test would not be all i would want a vet to check
a number of other conditions could be responsible for the frequent runs
- what did the vet rule out so far ? that is the normal way to isolate and diagnose a problem...just seems toooo easy to recommend a specialised high fiber diet that you will probably have to buy at the vet

but it also seems like there are definitely environmental factors that exacerbate the problem. this might mean you need to make some lifestyle changes and do things differently than the way you are doing them now

was this dog purchased from a pet store or from a mal breeder ?

i'd be glad to lay out an alternative program if you don't have any success with the suggestions you've already received, so PM me if there isn't any improvement and you are willing to try some new approaches

"especially after my son goes to bed, she's not allowed on the couch if he's on it because she doesn't play gently and he's too young to understand that hitting her and kicking her just excites her more be makes her rougher. But we're working on that on both ends."
-- HOW ? a young mal WILL play rough and there is nothing wrong with that (in my mind) as long as it is with You and boundaries are taught with a firm hand...your young one needs to learn boundaries too. what specifics have you taught regarding this ? all too often it is just scolding one or the other when they misbehave and that teaches both very little. i have seen this a LOT in family situations with pups and kids mixing it up

"We also spend about 5 minutes after every potty trip working on sit, down, and stand."
-- AFTER the potty trip ?? ... how are you connecting potty trips with the OB ?
why do you feel the need to expose the pup to other pups ? ... i see very few puppy training sessions that benefit all the pups
- 'puppy classes' are not all created equal...some are a downright clusterfxxks
- usually it's more of a mixed bag with the 'leader' having a hard time watching all the pups, and the owners having a hard time trying to keep their pups focused on them. worse if the owners are a mixed bag of inexperienced/first time owners and lacking in training skills, etc
- i would suggest if you DO take the pup around other pups to focus on getting the pup focussed on YOU and ignoring the other pups. conditioning the pup that it’s just background noise to be ignored and that YOU are the source of all things interesting.
- as you can probably tell, i’m not a big fan of puppy classes //LOL//
- nor do i care for doggy day care; which often makes the dog more ‘doggy’ //LOL//
- teaching obedience and puppy tricks does not often cure a nervy dog and give it confidence. it often just gives the owner more control over their nervous dog

as a test of your bond with your pup…go to a dog park and stay outside 15-20 meters from the fence
- will your pup play with you and ignore the distractions ?
- if not, that might be a good place to start

if everything fails, you might want to give it to someone experienced who will spend a LOT of time with it and address the problems directly. not what you want to hear, but maybe best for the pup if you care a lot about it

best of luck no matter what you do
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: 12 week old Mal nervousness stomach

I take socializing a nervous dog over full vaccinations any day
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Not sure where to start.

As far as play and exercise, we spend about an hour in the back yard when we get home, we do a bunch of different things but her favorite game is of course chase the toddler all over the playground. If the weather is decent we'll go for a walk too but we live in Virginia and the weather is different every day.

I don't know anything about her lineage except that her dad was a border patrol dog and that she was from an accidental litter. I got her at 7 wo from my mom who literally gave her to my son the day before we were supposed to fly back from Texas.

Taking her out to potty makes her very excited, so when we come in I wait for her to wind down and when she's calm (for her) we work on her commands but only for a few minutes at a time.

The puppy class is mostly for the socialization. Since she was taken from her litter so young, I read that it was important for her to be exposed to other dogs so she could learn dog hierarchy and behaviors. The instructor is actually pretty on top of it, she points out the different behaviors and explains them and tells us what we can do if we need to curb an unwanted behavior.

She's allowed to bite, she's just not allowed to bite my kid. If she starts biting him, I get her attention and offer her her bully chew, a rawhide roll, or a toy. I praise her when she chew on the right thing and I redirect her when she chews on my kid or something inappropriate. We don't really do positive punishment.

As for my kid, if she's biting him he's supposed to get a toy and try to get her to get the toy instead. This one is hard though because he's 3 and he freaks out and squeals (which excited her), I also am a little wary of her associating biting him with getting a toy.

I'm not sure if the toys we have help her prey drive, but they were recommended by one of the trainers at the pet store (which isn't where she goes to puppy class). One is a furry thing on a stick, like the cat toys but sturdier for dogs, and she likes to chase that around. The other is a laser. I let my son use both so he can play with her in a safe way for him, but I don't know if that constitutes one on one time.

I will eventually be involving her in a Schutzhund club, but I think that it's very important for her to know her basic obedience commands and for her to have recall first. I don't want her to get so excited and run into the parking lot or something.

I've considered finding her an experienced home, in fact I consider it every time I clean a wet poop off the floor, but to be perfectly honest I'm not sure that anyone else would give her the care that I can. I mean sure I can meet you and you can tell me how much experience you have and how awesome you are with Mals, but in the end I don't know if you want her to build her up or if you just want a breeder or a bait dog or a million other things that I worry about.

She may never reach her full potential if she stays with me, but I know she'll never be mistreated or abandoned, and I know I'll always do my best to learn what she needs and how I can give it to her. I can't say that of anyone else. If that makes sense.
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Rabies is required for the club and all the doggie daycares, and the vet won't do it till 14 weeks.
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Old 02-14-2016, 02:39 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Just wanted to update in case anyone else has this problem.

All her bloodwork came back normal, so the vet recommended a pheromone collar and calming treats.

We use the collar all the time, and the treats seem to help for puppy school and any time she's going to be more stressed than usual.

No more runny stools.

Im just worried that she'll become dependent on the collar and treats, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
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Old 03-14-2016, 01:59 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: 12 week old Mal nervousness stomach

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Rabies is required for the club and all the doggie daycares, and the vet won't do it till 14 weeks.
Why do you want to put your dog in a doggie daycare? It is something I will never do to my dogs. I wish you the best luck with your malinois puppy.
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