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Old 12-20-2016, 04:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Personal Protection Trainer

Hi,
I am looking for a reputable personal protection trainer in New Jersey. I have such a tough time finding one. I checked internet and some come up but I cannot find out what kind are they. Good, bad, going to destroy my dog or my dog is going to be great after training with this person. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
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Old 12-20-2016, 11:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Personal Protection Trainer

The forum has been a bit slow lately. Hopefully someone will come on that can help.

Good on you for putting an effort into looking. The PPD world can be a maze to find a qualified trainer.
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Old 12-21-2016, 05:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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re : "I am looking for a reputable personal protection trainer in New Jersey."

1. if you join the forum correctly and provide a detailed background, you might get more specific help
2. I don't think we have any PP trainers in New Jersey on this list and none have been mentioned in any PPD threads. If they are here, they aren't posting, so if that's all you want, no need to read further

3. PP is all about matching the right dog with the right handler for the right purpose. since we don't even know what breed of dog you have, what your PP requirements are, and what level of dog skills you currently have, YOU should provide them

4. For most people who know how to evaluate a dog, a balanced, athletic well trained rescue dog can make a great PPD. But most people want MORE and think it will require a specialised form of training from a specific breed type. That is only true in some cases

5. no matter what kind of dog own, you can certainly waste a lot of money selecting a PPD trainer from internet searches or someone's personal opinion.

** Most importantly, and no matter how good the trainer is, YOU will be the ultimate trainer for your dog and YOU will need to have the skill sets to maintain its training, proficiency and safety !!

and i'm also assuming you realize a dog is only ONE component of PP; not an end-all, do-it-all PP asset

there are MANY PPD related threads here if you spend the time and effort to look for them.....there is some good info......and all free too

sorry this was not what you were looking for, but thanks for stopping by. hope you join and stay awhile
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Old 12-22-2016, 08:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Personal Protection Trainer

Thank you for your wise and precise answer. I am a member and I thought there was only one way to join it.

I have a Giant Schnauzer 14 months old pet. Because I take him for a walk to the woods every day I was hoping he can be trained to be a protection dog. Because I do not know much about the training and trainers, my question was to members of this forum if they know any good and honest trainer. I will not be able to recognize the unprofessional one.
Sorry if I was not precise.
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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sounds like a good prospect !
what do you do on your walks ?
what kind of control do you have now ?

1. will he stay with you on the walks and can you make him start and STOP barking vigorously on command ?
2. will he fetch a tug and grip it vigorously, bring it back to you and release it when you tell him to release it ?
3. if you let him off lead can you still recall him when he is distracted ?

if the answers are yes, he's probably already got what it takes and for many people that would be enough since he's already intimidating and that would prevent most problems before they even become problems

if 1-3 are not solid, get them rock solid first and that shouldn't require a professional PPD trainer. there are many members here who can walk you thru that part of your training and i would consider it a minimum set you need
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Pretty much what Rick said.

The "average" person doesn't need anything more then a dog with a good threat display.

If you seriously need a true protection dog you need to consider a conceal and carry because in that situation the dog is used basically for you to get to a weapon.
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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if you don't have a rock solid 100% reliable recall it will be useless no matter how much "bitework" training it gets. and unsafe out in the real world.......JME, but 90% of my customers don't have a solid recall when any level of distraction is put on the dog, so i always make them start there

if it won't bite and hold no PPD trainer will consider it capable of protecting you and i personally wouldn't want a PPD trainer to be the first one to agitate MY dog to see if it will bite and engage a human

you still haven't defined what kind of 'protection' you want from the dog, or what else you intend to use for your PP like Bob suggested, but ANY PPD trainer WILL do bitework, and if your dog is not under your control you will be training a dog that can be dangerous in public, and i consider walking in the woods to be in public

if you can't properly tug with it yet, you have a long way to go before you should consider turning it over for a PPD trainer to work with it.....in my opinion of course

pups and young dogs can certainly be taught these basic skills so please explain where you are at now
....the fact that you described it as a pet is irrelevant.....pets can work too
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Old 12-23-2016, 05:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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After reading you answers I would like a dog that will alert me to any danger and behave like he will bite.
Somebody once described a dog that I would like to be:
"A PPD should not leave it's person. It is not there to chase people or to run them off. Protection dogs should always remain with the person they are protecting. On every occasion when someone was in or attempting to get into my house, Sabi remained silent and with me, because it wasn't the house she was protecting.
As a rough example, at approximately 20 feet Sabs would let me know they were there, at approximately 10 feet she would warn them off, at anything nearing arms length, under 6 feet, she would engage a threat. If they backed away she let them, if they gave up she let them. If at any point I asked her to leave it she would and if at any point I asked her to watch it she would. If I was down she maintained a perimeter. And while she recognized uniforms, she did warn a couple of officers for walking up to close behind me.
Rather then lunging, barking fools, PPD's must be in most cases the best of the best. They need to be able to discern between the general public and a threat, they must be able to override their desire to chase and remain on alert to protect all without burning out or making a mistake."
Does it make sense?
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Old 12-23-2016, 03:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
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There is no need for the dog to chase after someone if the threat is no longer present.

If you dog chased someone into the street and bit the person you could easily be in lots of trouble.

Teach the dog to alert on the doorbell/knock.

At 14 months old a good GS is not far away from maturing as an adult and they can be very intimidating if not kept under control.

I agree 100% on getting a 100% solid recall....for any occasion.
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Old 12-24-2016, 07:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Personal Protection Trainer

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I have a Giant Schnauzer 14 months old pet. Because I take him for a walk to the woods every day I was hoping he can be trained to be a protection dog.
Protection from what?
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