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Old 01-31-2015, 07:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pavlovian response

Sorry if this is wrong area, the new phone version of this forum is useless.

Susan mentioned her dog associated the "accept strangers" command with a treat and drools as a result.

My working dog froths at mouth during OB prior to feeding time and foams when tracking as he was taught footstep to footstep with food.

How common is this sort of Pavlovian response? Never seen it with a pet...
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i have a dingo hybrid as a house dog
when waiting for food the drool forms long strings out of both sides of his mouth and hangs down like icicles. the wife gets pissed if he is near the sofa //lol//

but he will also drool when we are playing with a tug

had a shiba i trained with food markers. owners had claimed low food drive. when the drive came up he would drip when he was waiting to get paid with food
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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the frothing might have more to do with how much the dog has drank and ambient temps

my dog will froth up a lot in the summer but i've never noticed it in the winter and his hunting routines are the same all year around
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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when my dog is tracking using treats he drools
when he is tracking real game (that the can catch and eat) he huffs and chuffs very loudly but never drools ... go figure ??
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Old 02-01-2015, 01:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Pavlovian response

I have to let one of my dog's food soak for 20 mins with medication in it and use the micro wave timer to keep tract of the time.

Both dogs stand looking in the back door while I'm mixing and the bell going off (classic huh) starts both dogs drooling on the glass door. Wife loves it.
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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the more i have thought about this my conclusion is ;
drive related more than job (working/non working) related

and common

btw, why are u interested in this Nick ?
just curiosity ?

fwiw, trying to use this forum on my iPhone has been a disaster too

this new computer is pissin me off ... gotta find out how to turn off the auto typer
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Old 02-01-2015, 03:00 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Rick,

I have not seen temperature matter with the tracking. And yes, simple curiosity. Its akin to the fact that my dog will shake prior to nearly any job (dope sniffs/bldg search/etc) so long as I follow the established ritual. Its just a conditioned response I suppose.
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Old 02-01-2015, 06:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Pavlovian response

My abused/rescue Dane had one trick - drool for a cookie. If I'd known anything about clicker training back then, I probably could have taught her more, but any attempt at 'obedience' training shut her down.

I have also unintentionally trained my dogs that a ringing phone means they can go out in the yard. If I fail to open the back door in a timely manner after answering the phone, the incessant, annoying barking continues until I do. Classic operant conditioning all around.
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Old 02-01-2015, 08:17 AM   #9 (permalink)
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i found some more vids of this gsd at various stages of his training. some even have him lighting up and getting VERY vocal and receiving strong corrections

if there are any lurkers out there who have an aggressive dog they are trying to help, or are interested in this method of (piss poor) training, PM me and i will point the way to the vids

- i have tried to explain this vid and my system as best as i can. if it came across as being defensive there is not much i can do about that.

but for SURE i am not here because i like to hear myself talk

i true believe people really don't read long posts and retain the details. something they read upsets them and that is the only thing that sticks in their mind

when people take it one step further and slam my wife too, i DO get damn defensive. that comment was one of the worst i've ever read in a post. actually it's the first time i have read the handler AND the camera operator being slammed together ... absurd and uncalled for

Susan's latest zinger is a good example. i NEVER said the way she described was a bad way and my way was better ... or the "only" way.
i just said it was impractical and damn near impossible to do that on a recurring basis ... and i explained why ... i explained it again to Bob in even more detail
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Old 02-01-2015, 08:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
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sorry ... belay my last

posted in the wrong thread
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