6 month mal, were should we be at? - Page 2 - Working Dog Forum
Welcome to the Working Dog Forum.
Header



Working Dog Forum » Work Specific Discussion » Raising A Working Puppy » 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Raising A Working Puppy Discussion about raising your working puppy.


Reply
tcat left
6 month mal, were should we be at?
vBmenu Seperating Image LinkBack Thread Tools vBmenu Seperating Image Display Modes vBmenu Seperating Image
Old 04-12-2016, 11:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
Ankle Biter
 
Amber Emerson's Avatar
 
Status: Junior Member
Training: Personal Protection
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: yakima, WA
Posts: 39
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

I think I should clear things up a bit, I'm not entirely the best with words. He is learning heel but it is seperate than normal everyday walking on a leash. He can heel on a leash but only for about a min if hes fresh but up to 5 to 10 min if he is good and tired. Its a constant work in progress. Also all of his "protection" skills are play based example, his bark and hold is at a toy not yet a real person. I want to do more agility and desensitizing work with him untill he reaches about 18 months then I will bring in another person. I plan on purchasing micheal Elliss training protection skills without decoy Dvd so once we bring in the decoy he already has an idea of whats expected. One of my biggest fears is putting to much stress on him to early. He is very protective already and I'm working with him everyday meeting new peopl so he doesn't automatically see everyone as a threat. Its hard knowing if I'm on the right track
__________________
Hes mad, hes hungry!
Amber Emerson is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-12-2016, 11:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
Ankle Biter
 
Amber Emerson's Avatar
 
Status: Junior Member
Training: Personal Protection
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: yakima, WA
Posts: 39
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Scott View Post
Don't sweat the focused heel if your not going to compete.

I started formal obedience in the mid 60s and even the top level trainers weren't using it then so it was still pretty "new" by the early 80s.

I use a formal "heel" for AKC OB and Schutzhund but for daily obedience I use a "With me" that I learned when I started herding with my now 12 + yr old GSD.

If the dog stays within 2-5 feet of me with that then we're good.

Any sort of heel, a rock solid recall and a rock solid down can get most anything done for the "average" dog.
Good stuff! Exactly what I'm thinking. He is very very good at the recall I keep it 100% positive as that's what he does best at I also want a rock soilid down in motion as a safety tool so to speak. I like focusing on those "skills" that might save his life later or prevent an accident. His with me word is "this way, over here" iv been using it when he gets to far ever since 8 weeks
__________________
Hes mad, hes hungry!
Amber Emerson is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-12-2016, 11:35 PM   #13 (permalink)
Broke the Bark Collar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: St. Louis Missouri
Posts: 21,243
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Work on a loose lead for general walking.

Constantly being in heel position ca burn out a lot of dogs.


General walking with a lead = loose lead.

Coming to a distraction lead or not = heel position or even a sit while the distraction passes.

Even in most competitions the dog is rarely in a formal heel for more then 10 -15 mins.
__________________
The words of a fool offend only another fool!
Bob Scott is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
 
Old 04-12-2016, 11:44 PM   #14 (permalink)
Ankle Biter
 
Amber Emerson's Avatar
 
Status: Junior Member
Training: Personal Protection
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: yakima, WA
Posts: 39
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Great advice. Will do. I have never yet made him heel in the real world. Just durring our training sessions in the back yard. He will tho after hes tired volenterily put himself in the heel at my left side and he gets tons of praise when he does. Should I not use the head halter? Or just fade it out once hes doing good walking with a lose lead? I personally think its a less abrasive way to walk on our walks (as long as the dog is fine with the halter.) I do switch it back to his collar when he is being really good. With his walking with a collar I stop everytime he pulls and wait for eye contact for about 10 seconds then go again as long hes not running ahead and pulling me. He doesn't seem to be getting it but I'm guessing it will slowly progress. My other dogs never pulled like he does and its kind of frustrating at times.
__________________
Hes mad, hes hungry!
Amber Emerson is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-13-2016, 01:09 AM   #15 (permalink)
Broke the Bark Collar
 
Nicole Stark's Avatar
 
Status: Senior Member
Training: Don't Train My Dog
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alaska
Posts: 5,016
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Quote:
Originally Posted by amber emerson View Post
and that is why i have it.....
GREAT. Wonderful and amazing. You must be so proud of your progress. Keep up the great work. It's fantastic you are getting so involved. Your serious commitment will do well for you. Excellent progress so far for you and your dog. Your future looks bright.
__________________
Do Not Disturb
Nicole Stark is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-13-2016, 08:40 AM   #16 (permalink)
Ankle Biter
 
Amber Emerson's Avatar
 
Status: Junior Member
Training: Personal Protection
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: yakima, WA
Posts: 39
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole Stark View Post
GREAT. Wonderful and amazing. You must be so proud of your progress. Keep up the great work. It's fantastic you are getting so involved. Your serious commitment will do well for you. Excellent progress so far for you and your dog. Your future looks bright.
Thank you! That means a lot!
__________________
Hes mad, hes hungry!
Amber Emerson is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-13-2016, 11:17 PM   #17 (permalink)
Broke the Bark Collar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: St. Louis Missouri
Posts: 21,243
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Amber said

"He is very very good at the recall I keep it 100% positive as that's what he does best at."

Not a given but there very well may come a time where the distraction is bigger then you command.

I've trained one of my GSDs with no physical training corrections to this date (he's 12+) but don't over look the chance of a distraction if you don't have good leadership and management skills.
__________________
The words of a fool offend only another fool!
Bob Scott is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-14-2016, 09:03 AM   #18 (permalink)
Ankle Biter
 
Amber Emerson's Avatar
 
Status: Junior Member
Training: Personal Protection
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: yakima, WA
Posts: 39
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Scott View Post
Amber said

"He is very very good at the recall I keep it 100% positive as that's what he does best at."

Not a given but there very well may come a time where the distraction is bigger then you command.

I've trained one of my GSDs with no physical training corrections to this date (he's 12+) but don't over look the chance of a distraction if you don't have good leadership and management skills.
I feel like what you said is common sence. Even in everyday dog training there WILL be distractions of all kinds. I am aware of this and will proof the recal as long as my dog is a live. In as many situations I can think of. I don't stop working on something if I think he knows it I have him to it everyday and everytime we train.
__________________
Hes mad, hes hungry!
Amber Emerson is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-14-2016, 12:45 PM   #19 (permalink)
Broke the Bark Collar
 
Joby Becker's Avatar
 
Status: Senior Member
Training: Protection Sports
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: IL/WI
Posts: 11,318
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

a focused heel can also come in handy, especially if the dog ends up being "tempted" to do certain things, or by certain things.

it ends up easier (I think, anyhow) for a dog to give the focus/attention to you, than to 1/2 ass it, be in correct heel position for the most part, and still be in conflict internally for whatever reasons...in its head..the focus can sometimes be the full surrender of the dog to the command.

just sayin
__________________
Sorry, but BOTH my dogs think YOU are an A-Hole, and I believe them..........
Joby Becker is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Old 04-14-2016, 03:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
Ankle Biter
 
Amber Emerson's Avatar
 
Status: Junior Member
Training: Personal Protection
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: yakima, WA
Posts: 39
Re: 6 month mal, were should we be at?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joby Becker View Post
a focused heel can also come in handy, especially if the dog ends up being "tempted" to do certain things, or by certain things.

it ends up easier (I think, anyhow) for a dog to give the focus/attention to you, than to 1/2 ass it, be in correct heel position for the most part, and still be in conflict internally for whatever reasons...in its head..the focus can sometimes be the full surrender of the dog to the command.

just sayin
I do agree to that but I want him to get the heel down first. He is already pretty naturally attentative. I treat attention like an unspoken command. If I ask anything of him he has to give eye contact as well. Unless of course hes not facing me lol
__________________
Hes mad, hes hungry!
Amber Emerson is offline   Reply With Quote

Please Register!
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:51 AM.


 

SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5